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End of the Line - In Depth Graves Guide

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(4) |

Thanks for the guide! I found the lethal tempo rather more useful on him though.

(7) |

How do you get the "in depth" logo on your guide?

(16) |

This reminds me I haven't tried on yet, I was a bit comfortable with the old build but since you have it here, I'll try it for myself. Thing is, I don't usually like the item, the idea that it allows you to fire one critical basic attack after a small delay seems odd to me. I'll see how it goes in-game.

(57) |

There is a bit of misinformation floating around about attack speed and . Specifically, people say to avoid because it's common for to buy a and take . For some reason people think that you go far over the attack speed cap if you take all 3. This used to be the case when precision gave 18% attack speed and no attack damage, and it's currently the case if you also have a . But for the argument people are specifically talking about , and .

This is not true.

has a weird interaction with attack speed as a part of they wanted to make sure you can't fire both barrels in the same second. It also affects both the reload time and the time between attacks. The time between attacks is hard to measure as it's not in the tooltip and can feel subjective based on framrate and the like, but the reload time is. Regardless of if you overcap on the time between shots, you do not with the reload and that is a direct increase to your DPS. Also even though it's hard to prove the time between attacks (I would need to record 2 instances of them then line them up in a video editing program, but the burden of proof isn't on me) I feel like it scales in the same was as the tooltip making both the reload time and the time between attacks decrease consistently without hitting any cap with the items/rune in question.

A very important thing to note is that you usually buy straight after your for a cheap but substantial damage boost. also gets a large increase in value to attack speed based on his level, meaning you'll be nowhere near the cap until level 15 or so (at which point you should be winning! You're an early-mid game jungler, not a late game scaling monster.) So it has high value as a tempo purchase, that alone is worth it.

Of course, the important thing is debunking the misinformation about the attack speed cap. Here are 2 screenshots of a level 18 Graves with a fully stacked and both
items.

As you can see, I have 0.88 attack speed, which signified the reload time. Now if I add a dagger, it will increase.

0.89. The reload speed cap at level 18.

You do not hit both attack speed caps with Legend: Alacrity, Phantom Dancer and Berserker's Greaves. This results in a direct increase to your potential DPS. Not to mention that you shouldn't be getting to end game in most games. No matter how you look at it, you are not wasting stats by purchasing both items and taking the rune.

(201) |

Guide is definitely in depth and well detailed, but the cheat sheet is extremely lazy and inefficient and it's holding your entire guide back. The reader should be able to build rather efficiently just by looking at the cheat sheet alone. Currently, it's just a single build patch which isn't optimal for most scenarios.

Your cheat sheet doesn't match your guide either. is a core item in the guide but situational in your cheat sheet. No mentioning of anywhere in your guide yet it's on your cheat sheet.

Cheat sheet is also a bit outdated, you mention green smite in one of your notes.

is never a situational item on as you already cap on attack speed from and .

I love how detailed the guide is and I hope the cheat sheet gets updated to match the quality of the rest of the guild.

(57) |

Guide should be fully updated now. Cheat sheet now properly reflects the guide on both and .

Whilst BC/SR second is situational, there isn't much point in my opinion to do the same path twice in a row with just those 2 swapped. The best all around option is to go SR first then BC second but the guide covers when not to do that (now at least, it didn't before).

Also removed green smite, even had warlord's mentioned in the notes as well. Thanks for pointing those out, I forget to change them on a lot of my guides.

As for the attack speed cap, that isn't true at all. As I mention it in the guide I'm going to post screenshots in a separate comment and I implore you and everyone to read it.

did anyone make a import copy and paste for this

(16) |

Is the old Cleaver + Phantom Dancer combo still good? It's how I used to build him.

(57) |

Yes it's still really good.

However I think stormrazer might be better than PD. It's kind of hard for me to test it because he's practically perm banned but it feels really good to build and complete.

pretty good

ENGLISH:
At 8.10 this does not work as well!
Some items should be changed to cause greater damage, even when on a bot line such as Adc, or Mid line.
FireCannon, for example, is an excellent item.
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PORTUGUÊS:
Na 8.10 isso não funciona tão bem!
Alguns itens devem ser alterados para causar um dano maior, mesmo quando em uma linha de Bot como Adc, ou na linha Mid.
Canhão Fumegante, por exemplo, é um excelente item.

(569) |

Why do not go Firecannon?

(57) |

I do, but I wanted to test it more before suggesting it to everyone.

Hello I am wondering what build to follow as the page said fleet footwork? which one should i go for precision or domination? could you tell me how to?? Thanks a lot

(57) |

Fleet/Electrocute/Dark Harvest are all different playstyles.

Fleet is the most forgiving so I suggest fleet for new graves players. Electrocute is good if you're looking to 100-0 a squishy with full lethality and Dark Harvest is good if you're a more control jungle played (taking all camps and invading whilst counter-ganking).

Mix and match to find your personal preference, but if you're new I suggest

(16) |

This may be a dumb question but, does really make a difference in the game? I haven't used it in a very long time, I saw it wasn't terribly popular in general.

(57) |

Yes it makes a difference. If you're doing a more bursty build though Coup De Grace is better because you don't want to be low HP (whereas if you're playing like a bruiser you'll get low semi-often in the mid game)

(16) |

I see. Thanks for the feedback.

When I play Graves i usually start the bot side buff then go wolves then topside buff. Afterwards I run into the enemy jungle most of the time find the enemy jungler low health and catch them off guard. Do you suggest this path or should i farm the whole jg?

(57) |

It all depends on the game. The level 4 clear is dead, so I need to remove the video and probably replace it with something.

Buff > Wolves > Buff with a botside leash is the best I defo think. However it's not always wise to run into the enemy jungle. Say you're against a Kha'Zix, there is a very good chance he can straight up kill you. Same with a Xin Zhao. Your best bet against champions you can't invade alone is to force your laner to help. Whilst laners don't always come, the best thing to do is offer pressure. Showing up for a gank (even if it's warded) means you can force the enemy under tower or draw out the enemy jungler.

Graves can win almost any 2v2, so doing that can be a good idea. Of course sometimes you'll want to farm the jungle and earn gold/xp. I would stay away from the krugs until you get a couple longswords though.

So you can no longer clear the jungle with full hp at the start? Because I tried it a few times in custom, and only managed it with like 20%, and using both pots. Thought I was just doing something wrong :P

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(57) |

You should have way more than 20% HP if you're full clearing. Whilst the path isn't correct to do anymore (3 camps are better) With fleet and your passive it should be easy.

For a full clear I would do something like, Blue > Gromp > Wolves > Red (Smite) > Raptors > Krugs.

However that's just not a good path and you're way better off going buff camp buff.

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