Shaco Build Guide : [26.18] Shaco Support Guide (2.9Mil Sup OTP)

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Hey Fear The Jester! First of all, thank you for this amazing and detailed guide. I really enjoy the True Chaos build!

I have a specific question regarding games where things go completely wrong and you fall severely behind. What is your strategy and playstyle when your team gets pushed all the way into your own base?

Let's say only the base/inhibitor towers are left, there is zero map control, and the enemy team has 1 or 2 massively fed carries.

How do you adapt in this situation?

Since establishing deep bush control is basically impossible, where and how do you prioritize your box placements to stall the push?

How do you deal with those fed enemies when they siege your base without just getting instantly blown up?

Are there any specific macro tactics or clone tricks you use in this "doomsday" scenario to catch them off guard and potentially turn the game around?

Would love to hear your thoughts on how a Shaco Support can still have a huge impact in this scenario. Thanks in advance!

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Thanks for the new update Fear. Please keep changelogging when you do substantial changes

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will do, probs wont be many big changes for a while now that the build is settled, unless i finally get around do doing the build comparison part, which i should probably get around to... but thats future me's problem

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Changelog: Changed from triple codex core into a mandate maligance core for more clone play opportunities, slightly less power to boxes but more power overall with the shorter clone cooldown, slightly harder to setup a splitpush slowpush but higher escape/kill potential for when they contest you. still testing but already feels slightly stronger then the triple codex core i was running.

also experimenting a bit more with exhaust + tp, feels like it has more potential then i thought, dunno if its stronger then ignite atm tho, need to play vs more matchups to tell

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Sorry for the late reply. What was your conclusion now, actually? Did you find Exhaust to be outperforming Ignite for you, or are you still undecided?

I'm asking because I had a quite similar experience and have been using Exhaust + TP as my main setup since earlier this year. With Ignite only being swapped in if I needed the anti-heal badly enough.

Exhaust just seems like the more versatile choice to me: being helpful both offensively and defensively and being applicable in a far wider range of situations. Plus, Omnivamp or lifesteal-based healing is suppressed similarly as well by exhaust (exhaust reduces damage by 35% for 3 sec, while Ignite reduces healing by 40% for 5 sec (that's nearly double the duration, but both need to be applied with good timing anyway)).

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hey Fear, thoughts on the new imperial mandate rework giving 15 ah to boxes, plus the 6% dmg amp for those feared?

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100% im gonna be trying to rush it first or second item, will be updating the guide with it soon (when i can be bothered - edit, i was bothered enough to do it), its definetely going to be core, still trying to theorycraft the early mana issues tho if if i rush it first item since shaco has one of the lowest mana regens in the game and cant benifit much from the 150% mregen on the item, im thinking of still just buying the mana crystal with the no pots 300g tp tech, but just holding onto it and selling it later. Since it sells for 210g ill only be losing 90g in the long run but since i dont buy the 100g of pots ill still be up 10g overall, ill be experimenting with looking into a tear aswell but i still need to watch my early laning when i do with the mana timings, because the 300g tp tech allows me to use mana as much as i want and by the time i get the 300g ill usually be out of mana or close to, adding an extra 100g of waiting might decrease the early pressure a bit if i have to conserve some mana, and tear sells for 280g so ill be losing out on 120g or 20g overall since no pots if i sell it later, but theres always the option of going into tear if i pick up a bit of early gold and cant afford dark seal alongside the mana crystal, mana crystal and seal would have more value then a tear. Idk, still working out that side of things, dont think manaflow band is worth it tho still.

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it sounds like continuing mana crystal into lost chapter then blackfire torch first, imp mandate second, sounds smoother right? unless you want that 30ah imp mandate spike as fast as possible?

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yea, i feel like mandate rush is just too powerful, the 30 is really good and the 6% dmg boost to both you and your adc is just too good to delay it to second item, the only reason i was running blackfire was for the %ap increase synergy with deathcap and gathering, its burn wasnt even that great, and for its 20 haste, the mana can be easily remedied and simply selling mana crystal later for either to complete mandate or to fit the 3rd codex into the triple codex core, at that point shacos mana regen should be high enough to actually benefit from the 150% mregen since shacos box mana cost will be lower, currently ive just been holding onto it until i run out of space for the 3rd codex or its components and its been going quite well. i cant really fit blackfire into the build damage and utility wise, cryptbloom is the core second item that allows me to do the 3 codex core rush since it builds out of 2 of them, and nashors utility is too good for my optional splitpush playstyle, deathcap cant really be passed up since it increases box duration and damage too much at that stage of the game, i just dont see where i can fit in blackfire without delaying or ruining my damage and utility. but thats just me, feel free to build whatever u want, i only look at the numbers

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hey Fear, i tried the chaos build and had an 90k dmg game. absolutely insane.
thoughts on running manaflow and scorch for the more guaranteed laning-phase snowball? ive noticed my axiom arcanist numbers arent that high. and i know transcendence is really useful, but hypothetically a winning snowball laning phase would give you enough ap by the time transcendence kicks in.
also thoughts on running bloodletters?

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I have had some thoughts on that, i tried manaflow in a game initially and found that it gives not alot of mana by the time that i do the 300g tp tech for a mana crystal, which provides all the mana that i need at that point and later in the game i wont need the 1% mana recharge or extra mana.

I initially tried scorch along with sudden impact/treasure hunter second (cut down did vastly more damage as secondary when tested so opted for the 33 haste through runes since its damage along with more box potential), i honestly find that scorches damage is really weak early compared to the power of other subrunes, and the ap from gathering synergises with blackfires %ap increase, deathcaps %ap increase, increases general damage post 10min, outdamages scorch post 20min, and increases the box duration from the %10 ap ratio, which gives shacos lategame box control potential a lot more power so that its not just a press E + ignite on adc build.

In terms of power because its a lower haste build i chose axiom to get more clone opportunities with its 7% cd refund on takedown along with slightly more damage, but the main point of axiom is for the clone cd refund.

scorch could help if youre guarenteed to snowball the lane but becomes useless later if not, while gathering gives you options if your adc ints/you get camped ect, but in the end the choice is whatever works best for you.

(edit: forgot to add bloodletters, i dont really like that item, im a firm believer that hp is bad on shaco because you want your clone to be one shot, it takes too long to be usefull with the burn, its only really viable if you have an apc so that you can double up with their void staff to boost their damage. also i generally dont want the stormsurge to proc on a tank since i want to save it to chunk a squishy, but if its a high tank game id swap shadowflame for cryptbloom since its the most optimal antitank with its 20 haste)

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What is an E Q trade combo on shaco, and thank you for updating the runes and build, its very helpful.

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The E Q crit quicktrade is where you throw E and Q towards the enemy and backstab crit them at the exact same time the E lands, or slightly before the E lands so that the E can get bonus damage from them being lower (tho thats a fair bit harder to land), it gives the enemy less time to react and punish you for it, but it can be very risky since youre using your only escape to deal damage, its useful for either chunking the opponent or to execute them when they think the E itself wont kill them so they wont use heal/barrier. its a lot stronger early on ad shaco but can still be quite effective early game for ap shaco.

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might you explain stored box potential a bit more, thanks

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Sure, stored box damage potential just means the amount of damage of all the boxes that can be controlled at once, like if you can set at most 14 boxes at once and they each deal 1000 dmg then the stored damage potential would be 14000, so they have the potential to deal 14000 damage if all of them are triggered. Lemme know if you need more info

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let's go!!! thanks for the update.

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swapped redemption for nashors third item as i honestly found it slightly lacking even though its still quite strong, its just the opportunities the make it strong are quite rare, would rather further enhance the splitpush and clones potential instead

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rebuilding the ap core build, i dont like actualizer, 3100g for 10 haste is painful, the buildpath of a useless lost chapter at a point where i already have all the mana i need is painful, and a blasting wand is so awkward to build in a few scenarios, im bringing back my 4 codex core build and just taking the 50ap loss as a nerf, its only 5 seconds off box duration and a bit of damage loss, while actualizer is strong in theory when activated, the loss of so much power midgame is too great to consider it, and the seraphs shield downside hurts, with the loss of 50ap on horizon its not worth to build it second, but for the sake of the 4 codex cores insane strength ill be building it 3rd, and with the 4 codex core it was already more gold efficient stat wise to build into crypt second anyway, will in theory as a full build actualizer did out perform damage wise, its quite inconsistant in scenarios where youre either dead or dont have the reaction time leeway needed to press another button before death/escape, but i shall be leaving it as an option for final item alongside malignance and mejais, because it technically out performs damage wise compared to malig and mejais but they both have their own advantages aswell, its gonna suck having to pull out an older version of this guide and update it with all the new stats and builds in the current one since all of the information for the 4 codex build has been removed from the current guide, so ill be updating this in probably the next few days when i get around to it (procrastinating for the time being because i dont like things that take effort :p)

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also considering a triple codex core building into crypt and redemption as an alternative... sounds crazy, but it has 30 ap and 15 haste, can be used to kill with the 10% max hp true dmg, or to overdose on heals and save your team... and with a triple codex core the issue of needing to sell dark seal wouldnt come up as you wouldnt need the 4th codex... call me a mad genius but that could actually work. lose out on a bit of damage, still have 15 haste, cheaper build, 3 codex core, more heals, long range vision, area denial with the threat of the true dmg... let. me. cook. on that for a bit

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Moved the AD build into its own section, because i like it and think its strong enough compared to the power of the AP build to no longer consider it a meme build, moved the enchanter build from the bottom to the top of the meme builds since its power is a lot stronger with the echoes of helia and diadem of songs interaction to double the healing value of diadem of songs with your clone having the items to either constantly heal you, your clone and your teammates. its still quite meme, but is decent and belongs at the top when compared to the others.

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the new season changes might actually kill my shaco support,
more vision plants in more locations to reveal my boxes,
supports get cheaper control wards and a slot for control wards to always have one against me,
my leash is ruined yet again because of camps and minion waves spawning 30 seconds earlier so i either wont get to box river entrance against invades or i cant double box the buff, it might even mean all that i can do is place a single box and recall... (it used to be box river entrance, 2 box buff, 2 box krugs/gromp and still have enough mana to go to lane btw!!!)
horizon focus is getting reverted which is the core second item in my build, which will mean that with blackfires 20% ap increase and deathcaps 30% ap increase im losing between 65 and 75 ap which is an entire cooldown of my lategame box since 75 ap is 7.5 seconds on my box, so 1 less box... (im angry about this the most because no other item fits that missing horizon, 125 ap and 25 haste are the core stats that i want, it will either have to be replaced with maligance (-10 haste - 35 ap), seraphs (good stats but the shield ruins my clone survivability and needs a 3 mana item core to be viable), i refuse to build hp items with 25 haste because its the same issue with seraphs, i need my clone to be as squishy as possible, so... zero items fit that category, the only way i wouldnt be mad about it is if riot added traps triggering horizon so that i can actually get the 10% damage increase from it, but i know riot wont do that....

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for the ap build im planning on replacing horizon for equalizer (if it will increase set box damage when activated, might even bring back my bft, malig, seraphs core build if the mana scaling on equalizer is good enough), even though equalizer only has 10 haste and the 30% faster cooldowns wont have much of an effect in the long run i think that boosting box damage at will for 8 seconds is too powerful, so ill probably be building it second, the haste cap will be very delayed and the 4 codex core build will be entirely destroyed, ad build will have to be rebuild from the ground up as the jack of all trades core wont be able to keep up in terms of early power and with the removal of swiftmarch and symbiotic they will need to be changed, ill see how things turn out and what changes, but next season really isnt looking good for shaco in general, both sup and jg

[26.18] Shaco Support Guide (2.9Mil Sup OTP)

[26.18] Shaco Support Guide (2.9Mil Sup OTP)

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