Dr. Mundo Build Guide : TOO BIG TO FAIL || NA challenger mundo main guide (check notes!!) MATCHUP UPDATE REVAMP

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Hey Belle,

thanks a lot for the work going on !
i think imho your guide is the best online

i have a demand you may not be able to fix :

i feel a lot of parts of the guide haven't changed since long, and it's very hard to know what is actually current working information or past peak knowledge for Mundo

would you be able to make a note indicating which part of the guide is actually updated and when ?

for example, your Jungling Mundo runes and build seem to my noob eyes likes outdated since a few seasons, although your guide is marked "on updated..."

i hope you understand what i'm saying

thanks a lot for reading and keep it up,
best,
mundo

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hey bro,
how is life going ?
just to let you know i can't wait for your next update, you're the best :)
docteur jungling #mundo

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hey bro,
i hope you are well,
just to let you know i'm waiting for your next update, keep up the good work bro :)

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hey bro, thanks a lot... !
i was just wandering : is this Jungle Build actually updated ?
thank you if you read me :)
jean

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so why was the super scaling page (phase rush + inspiration secondaries) removed? is trying to play for late on mundo no longer as viable as before?

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since then phase rush has been nerfed pretty hard (75% --> 50% slow res was massive) and this season hyperscaling oriented stuff is a lot weaker (with the exception of kayle and mundo as champions but this is because of top quest specifically. Gold oriented hyperscaling builds were shot down). The games pace picked up significantly so if you arent very strong at 1 item + lvl 9 then you're gonna be bad. Add onto that the fact that you can take ignite now, and it's still okay into certain matchups but in general i just take grasp rn

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oh bro i was checking this page everyday since your last update... finally !!
thank you so much :)

could you just give a basic explanation on how to choose which Jungle Rune set ?
and is there any item build change for Mundo Jungle(r's OTP like me) ?

many thanks again bro :)
jean from paris

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nice to see you man :) and thank you! lol

im not as experienced on jg mundo but the general gist is fleet footwork is needed in any elo where the enemy can invade properly (prolly like diamond+) since otherwise ur first clear is very vulnerable, and fleet doesnt really get outscaled that hard since the movement speed stays somewhat relevant and the precision secondaries are rly strong. That said, into certain matchups or in an elo where you are confident they wont try to invade you on first clear, you can go my personal favorite, phase rush. It's just a better scaling version of fleet that also lets you gank a lot better, but in return doesnt do much early and sorcery secondaries arent quite as strong. Beyond that there arent really any viable options. Grasp is bad dont take it in jg

I'm pretty sure the build is the same! The only two things are now you can situationally go bandlepipes second or (super situationally) zekes second. In 90% of your games your build will probably look the same though

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Hi, how do you reach the warmogs threshold without biscuits or cashback? I noticed you were running free boots and approach. Also are refillables wort it?

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refillable or buying more pots on mundo is never worth it. Flat healing effects are generally pretty ***** since the guy gets a lot less value out of it than the champs its designed for (200 hp from a potion is going to do way more on talon or ambessa or something)

as for hitting threshold you just have to be a bit more mindful with grasp procs. Its still doable to hit threshold on giants belt + warmogs, biscuits lets you completely turtle in lane though which is why I assume people like it. It's still definitely a viable option especially if ur not super comfortable on the matchup or you just want a chill laning phase, but I think overall approach is gonna be stronger

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Hey bro,

I love the work you put it to help us play Mundo better, and I follow each and every of your updates with great attention and appreciation.

The only thing is I only play Mundo Jungle, and when I read your guide, I just don't know what to do right.

I would be so grateful to you if you could make it more accessible for us junglers,

With love,
Mundo le jungler

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thank you for the kind comment! My jungle is not as knowledgeable but I will definitely try to make the guide more useful for you mundo jungle enjoyers! I plan on giving the guide a revamp next season so I will keep this in mind when doing so. <3

also check the message you sent me, I replied to it

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I see you updated the Ambessa matchup, looks nice! My question regarding the matchup is do you actually outscale her?

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thank you!

With an armor oriented build (bramble + randuins) you eventually start winning the 1v1 if you're even, although you lose 1v1 at any stage of the game if she's ahead (which she usually will be the lane is really bad) and she has the tools to do more than you in a teamfight until you're lvl 16. So you do have the scaling edge but it's not like renekton where you can get completely **** on in lane and still do more later

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Would be nice to have the matchups updated, realized it with the yone one

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took a short break but I'm back with the experimental hexplate buffs! First thing I plan on doing is updating the matchup spread as I think a lot of it is slightly inaccurate or outdated

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great to hear and glad to have you back, hope to get a notification or to know when its done!

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Hello! Just letting you know everything should be up-to-date now. If you have any questions or something still seems out of place please don't hesitate to let me know. I looked over everything but with 100+ champs in the threat section I may have missed something haha

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glad to read that brother, was checking the sett matchup, when u say you outscale outside of sidelane, what you mean exactly? like sidelane is not playable or that teamfight wise you demolish him aslong as he doesnt ult you into ur team?

also, i wanted to ask, i barely enjoy playing anything outside mundo and gragas, though with gragas i dont feel i perform enough, how do u navigate your ban and playing into the void hell matchups kled/fiora/gwen/aatrox/yorick/ambessa/irelia, **** that is way stronger in lane and even if you somehow go even ***** on u sidelane

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1. in terms of sidelane a decent sett with hullbreaker just ignores you and breaks towers. I wouldn't necessarily say he outscales you in a sidelane like nasus or something, but compared to the majority of the roster its a lot better to teamfight vs him. Teamfight-wise he still has some agency but generally as long as he doesnt get a really good ult you do a lot more than him. The one exception is if he has flash up and there is a game-ending objective up, I would try to force him to match a split if your team isnt super mobile or long ranged

2. when I'm tilted I ban gwen, otherwise I usually just ban whatever the general good ban is (which is usually bel'veth but I wouldn't ban her outside masters+). ATP I just pick mundo into kled fiora irelia ambessa even though they arent good matchups. I find they are still kinda playable and, yeah same, I don't really enjoy other stuff anymore. Fiora especially is kinda overblown in my opinion, unless she gets an early lead its not that bad and it's harder for fiora to get an early lead than aatrox or something. She legitimately needs full build to kill you in a sidelane if you play well assuming you're even. The only notable matchups I always switch up on are sett for gwen, darius for aatrox and trundle for yorick

into these kinds of matchups I usually play passively super early to give my jungler a chance to help me/someone else on my team to get fed and carry, and then if its evident that aint happening I play more aggressive than I normally do. If you idle in these kinds of lanes you're just gonna get **** on later, so its better to just pray you outplay them with movement and cleaver aim in lane. Something I try to do pretty consistently into people who arent experienced in their champs is to feign confidence, its risky but if you land a cleaver and juke their poke a couple times in a row at the beginning of lane it'll get baked into their head that they should be standing behind the wave which obviously make scaling way easier. You can take this a step further by walking up to the wave and tossing e projectiles at them. There are a lot of ambessa lanes where I dodged a couple q2's at the beginning of lane and retaliated with cleavers, they backed up, and once you're ontop of the wave as mundo you can just perma shove and toss cleavers under their tower

its also REALLY important to go tank instead of an Alois titanic build into these kinds of matchups since it stabilizes a lot faster

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when you say "The only notable matchups I always switch up on are sett for gwen, darius for aatrox and trundle for yorick" what u exactly mean? (sorry english is my 3rd language)
Alois normally goes by "go full dmg if theyre either BORK users or % max hp dealers", why would it be more stable to go in your opinion vs the likes of irelia or fiora for example go Warmog + HSteel + Bramble + Armor item over Warmog+HSteel + bramble + Titanic Hydra?

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no worries! It was poorly phrased what I mean is the only times I pick something other than mundo purely off of the enemy tops pick, its when the enemy top goes gwen aatrox or yorick. Against gwen I go sett, against Aatrox I go darius, against yorick I go trundle

In actually fighting a BORK user like irelia or someone like fiora, Warmogs + HSteel + Bramble is actually going to make the 1v1 a lot easier. That said it's still not favored for you so I think Alois just goes full damage since in a split/macro sense that build has better waveclear/jungle stealing/tower damage and you can look for cheeky picks easier. I personally would just rather make the 1v1/teamfight easier though

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Who do you ban now? Gwen, Aatrox, Kled, Yorick or Something else?

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sorry for the late reply! For whatever reason aatrox mains have somewhat disappeared from my ranked games. Same with Yorick. I'm still occasionally counterpicked with them but they aren't that hard against non-mains.

Normally in a situation like this I WOULD ban Kled but the bruiser midscope he just received made the matchup a lot easier (still not a good matchup but not ban-worthy)

so lately I've just been banning whatevers OP/counters whatever my team is hovering, or if no one is hovering just banning bel'veth since that champs giga broken in high elo and is annoying as mundo.

Although I still think the best ban for most people is Aatrox I just don't see him anymore. Hope that helps!

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I have a question regarding the Aatrox matchup. Do you ever outscale him 1v1? Or does he fundamentally counter you/ have a build that you can’t beat? I also play a lot of Aatrox so I’m curious for both sides.

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depends on your build and the game-state. Hypothetically if you get out of lane OK and stack armor you will win a 1v1. At the very least you can force his ult out and then walk away without having to use your own. If you go an Alois push build you will always lose to him though, same idea if you have to go a good amount of MR or your comp is bad so he's free to go items that specifically counter you. Really though out of lane the champs not too bad to deal with since his kill pressure mostly goes away. He's only a nightmare matchup cos of lane

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I’m still a little confused on when to go Warmogs versus a resists item second? And thoughts on triple giant belt into warmogs first?

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been trying out triple giant belt into warmogs more recently and I do think it's better than I initially thought, although definitely overrated. The issue I have with rushing current warmogs, is its a much more expensive spike. The main benefit warmogs has if rushed is it gets you plates, although this is obviously harder to do now with a more expensive spike. So you need to be ahead to capitalize on this aspect of warmogs, yet if you're ahead you should just be rushing heartsteel to keep bullying/dominating. So its a case of "It feels decent" but logistically I can't think of any situation outside of super niche stuff (into tryndamere/illaoi/sett for example) you would do it. I think triple giant belt into warmogs has a lot more merit on champions that don't rely on heartsteel as much like sejuani/skarner top, although its definitely still at the very least not terrible on us. It is definitely what you should be doing if you go phase rush although recently I haven't been going phase rush as much since the meta shifted away from the champions it is good into

as for warmogs versus a resist item second: if you played mundo in the mythic era, think of it like when the decision was "alright, I finished my heartsteel. Do I go titanic now, or a tank item?" Warmogs new role is just a damage item, so in build paths you should treat it as such. Therefore it is worse in teamfights but better in the sidelane/extending a lead. Generally if I am very far ahead I go warmogs second to push my lead, if I am very far behind I go warmogs to just perma split, and if I am doing alright-ish I just go deadmans/unending second. I am very aggressive on mundo so the majority of my games I go warmogs right now, but if you are a more passive player I'd assume the superior choice would be a tank item most of the time. Hope this helps

TOO BIG TO FAIL || NA challenger mundo main guide (check notes!!) MATCHUP UPDATE REVAMP

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