While yes, you can get 800 AP (Requires a deathcap, three hourglasses, and a full soulstealer, good luck...), It makes you so fragile in both the laning phase and ganking phase, that you probably will never reach that point. A more... reasonable, shall we say, AP Kat build will net you right around 620 AP. This drops the damage of your ult under that of an end game AD Kat. Still, I would argue that the ult of said AP Kat is better, as it includes a slow...

(runes and masteries not included in calculations)

"you want the chance to crit on the autoattack after the shunpo"
Dude, change that Infinity edge for a trinity force, you will be having a free crit after every shunpo, also it gives nice bonuses

Thanks.

Average AP build is 360 AP? AHAHA nice joke, what kind of build did you do? I get 850+ AP with kata, and that is, SURPRISE! around same amount of bonus damage to the ulti than AD build which means

AD useless shumpo just for moving, good ulti
AP insane around 800 damage nuker shumpo, same damage ulti

+ shupo can be done every 2 secs or instantly if you kill someone, same as all the other skills, and AP build has smaller cooldowns than Ad build

Sounds clear to me

Seriously is quite funny to ace a team of rammus, nunu, vlad, xin zhao and ashe with 3 ultis in a row with the help of galios ulti

I just played a CO-OP vs AI and I went 59/4/12. It was insane.

How do u max Shunpo first when u are going AD. U do much more damage with your bouncing blade because it scales great with AD ..

Lol i love shupuno, first throwing knife double kill get 2 kills with normal attk then shupuno for penta kill

it's way more good if you level up first boucing blade in my opinion

isnt it better to take bouncing blade at lvl 1 ? with shunpo u need to get in meele range and take dmg

Although i don't enjoy it as much as AP Kat, this is a very nice build and i use it whenever i wanna switch things up or if we are short on AD on a team. thanks for the guide +1.

the best part of this guide is the fact you admit that attack is worse then ap, BUT I'd suggest also saying this build is good if the other team has a high usage of silence CC or canceling skills.

Dude, i posted this:


I don't totally understand what you're disagree with, 275 damage from Bloodthirsters is more than you get from a typical endgame AP build, and it's still magic damage when the daggers go flying. Almost 100 more per dagger than your AP build, which only has 9 more magic penetration

But! AD can easily get around around 40 magic pen before void staff, id imagine that would be 56 afterwards. On a 70 MR character, thats 23% DR for AD v. 13% for AP (i am assuming the only MP difference is the void staff)

Thats 211 damage v. 137 damage (ignoring the base of 80 or whatever it is, though I shouldnt, thatll get AP like 6 or 7 damage closer id imagine)

And that assumes nothing else is lowering their resist

AD would, after that MR, deal about 2500 damage over 2.7 seconds to 3 characters
AP would deal around 1900 damage.