Counter jungling

[quote=AnIh]Hi , im now trying to counter jungle as much as possible when i play jungler vs jungler and it seems really hard , i usualy can clean my jungle and gank pretty good and counter jungle good too but there is anyway to sucess at both at the same time whitout just sucessfully kill the enemy jungler and get fed ? everytime i try to counter jungle i end up with my jungle under farmed and sometimes dont even took my buff after 10 min :( do i just counter too much ? I play trundle for that stuff xd[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]Do you - A. Ward their jungle? B. Steal their buffs (but leave one small lizard!) every time you see them unattended? C. Attempt to kill the jungler if you spot them with low hp? You should be doing all 3 :)[/quote]

[quote=AnIh]yeah i do , the problem is my own jungle :/ for the moment happened 2 things : 1)I sucessfully ganked the jungler and stole his buffs and then i snowballed cleaned both jungle and ganked all 2)I steal some creep camps and buffs , gank the jungle at 3vs1 thanks to wards but cant feed myself and end up late in farm and exp :/ maybe its in relation with the strenght of enemy jungler , the case 1) i was trundle vs xin and the case 2 i was trundle vs trundle[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]Hm, strange... Make sure you always go for your buffs first after you're finished in the enemy jungle - they give the most XP! I wouldn't recommend you linger too long in the enemies jungle either (unless you're, say, Shaco with a box stack), only go there if you see them at somewhere warded, or a buff's unattended, then go for a gank/into your jungle! Edit: About how you said the strength of the enemy jungler - it depends if they were counter jungling you back. Trundle is an EXTREMELY good counter jungler, and if he was spending more time in your jungle than you were in his, that could be an issue![/quote]

[quote=AnIh]i think maybe my main issue is that i started jungling with vampiric scepter , its great for jungle as trundle but with vampiric scpter + boots + wards i finished my madred too late , i should maybe go with standard cloth armor and finish madred asap so i can clean both jungle faster[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]I find starting with a Vamp. Scepter works fine for Trynd - my main jungler. I can get off some good counter jungling, and after a gank or two I can easily afford my Wriggle's![/quote]

[quote=AnIh]well whatever i do i think the main mistakes was to let my buffs uncleaned , i will check how to sucessfully clean 2-3 enemy camp and then my buffs , thanks for help and if someone else have more advice it will help me , counter jungling sucessly is hard i think (unless your nunu xd) but its very powerful[/quote]