Let's talk about Zilean

[quote=MonkeyChidori]new metagame, jungle supports, you guys seen stonewalls latest vids?[/quote]

[quote=Kolraider][quote=Searz] Zilean is still SHIT as a babysitter. Damage+Speed/slow doesn't help when you can't protect the carry from damage. [/quote] Well, you are right about zilean can't heal, but... are the heals still viable? The answer is no, because now , the older supports can't heal and they are harrased, that's why the metagame needs to change. Take a sight to this situation; Soraka + caitlyn bot lane against Zilean + tristana. Zilean is always in the bush, so he can't get harrased because caitlyn will lose creeps. Zilean drop 2 bombs on caitlyn, next time on soraka... Soraka can't heal as far as before the patch in a question of quickness and amount, that's why Soraka or Caitlyn MUST go back. New supports will be CC tanks who can assist his team in fights even without strong stuff, maybe Leona, Blitzcrank, Amumu, Zilean, Taric, Morgana, Alistar, Kennen (?) or Veigar (?)[/quote]

[quote=Keels]This^^ is what I was saying...[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Kolraider] New supports will be CC tanks who can assist his team in fights even without strong stuff, maybe Leona, Blitzcrank, Amumu, Zilean, Taric, Morgana, Alistar, Kennen (?) or Veigar (?) [/quote] Kennen and Veigar both make good tanks.[/quote]

[quote=Kolraider]How about Gragas support? He has got a lot of base damage with his Q, can harass constantly with his manareg ability and he can pull enemies for ganks. Maybe take Kage's lucky pick, philo and Heart of gold and rush RoA.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Kolraider] are the heals still viable? The answer is no, because now , the older supports can't heal and they are harrased, that's why the metagame needs to change. Take a sight to this situation; Soraka + caitlyn bot lane against Zilean + tristana. Zilean is always in the bush, so he can't get harrased because caitlyn will lose creeps. Zilean drop 2 bombs on caitlyn, next time on soraka... Soraka can't heal as far as before the patch in a question of quickness and amount, that's why Soraka or Caitlyn MUST go back.[/quote] Looool, fail. Pretty much everything in this comment is wrong. Soraka can easily outharass Zilean. She's OP right now.[/quote]

[quote=Kolraider][quote=Searz] [quote=Kolraider] are the heals still viable? The answer is no, because now , the older supports can't heal and they are harrased, that's why the metagame needs to change. Take a sight to this situation; Soraka + caitlyn bot lane against Zilean + tristana. Zilean is always in the bush, so he can't get harrased because caitlyn will lose creeps. Zilean drop 2 bombs on caitlyn, next time on soraka... Soraka can't heal as far as before the patch in a question of quickness and amount, that's why Soraka or Caitlyn MUST go back.[/quote] Looool, fail. Pretty much everything in this comment is wrong. Soraka can easily outharass Zilean. She's OP right now. [/quote] Is soraka still played as Support? If she plays as support, she will maximize his heal, not his harass tool ;)[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]Zilean is a terrible support, and that's a fact. He's currently a VERY potent burst mage, however, so put him mid lane and he wins his lane.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]I think Soraka will win solo against Zilean currently. She's suuper strong.[/quote]

[quote=Kolraider][quote=Searz] I think Soraka will win solo against Zilean currently. She's suuper strong. [/quote] +1. She spams burst damge and if she gets Lichbane she literally pwns.[/quote]