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@Sutherland: Ganks are primarily a single target deal. I usually go 5pt Tiger 3pt Turtle 5pt Bear 5pt Phoenix. So end game there is still access to the AoE damage from phoenix, but early game when you want to gank and all you have are say T2 boots and a Wriggles (for my build) the power tiger has exceeds phoenix.
But there are plenty of alternatives in ways to build Udyr (centralizing around Tiger or Phoenix...Never seen a Turtle focus tbh) as I said, I just prefer Tiger.
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@Sutherland: Ganks are primarily a single target deal. I usually go 5pt Tiger 3pt Turtle 5pt Bear 5pt Phoenix. So end game there is still access to the AoE damage from phoenix, but early game when you want to gank and all you have are say T2 boots and a Wriggles (for my build) the power tiger has exceeds phoenix.
But there are plenty of alternatives in ways to build Udyr (centralizing around Tiger or Phoenix...Never seen a Turtle focus tbh) as I said, I just prefer Tiger.
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Xenasis wrote:
You fail to take into account the fact that Phoenix will almost always outlevel Tiger, and as such, will gank whilst higher level, and hence be more potent ganks.
Tiger's ganks are only slightly more potent than Phoenix's, though, since the steroid (which people always forget about despite the fact it gives 24 AD at rank 5), AoE damage, and proc are all brilliant in Pheonix, even if you don't get the proc off.
It's not like starting tiger takes away your ability to put points in phoenix...And tiger can gank up just as effeciently as phoenix ganks down (meaning level 3 Udyr can gank level 4s even 5s with no problem). The way the jungle is right now anything goes IMO. I have success with Tiger, I like it so I use it. If I were in a tournament I would still use Tiger Stance, the perks are minimal between the two stances, what matters is if you have fun. I had loads of fun last night taking the enemy top and mid lanes apart. I did it with Tiger, you might do it with Phoenix, as long as we enjoy the experience that's all that really matters ^_^
@Lugig: Still running Ghost instead of Flash on Udyr?
Hey Jeffy, maybe this sounds silly but is there anything to stop you starting Phoenix for the initial clear time, then skilling Tiger after that when you start ganking?
I gank at ~3 or 4....So yes I prefer 2 points in tiger before I hit my ganks. Tiger-Turtle-Bear-Tiger or Tiger-Turtle-Tiger-Bear
I had experimented with Tiger-Phoenix-Tiger-Bear and it seemed to work well. Pre new jungle I was able to get red and blue by ~3 or 4....
I had experimented with Tiger-Phoenix-Tiger-Bear and it seemed to work well. Pre new jungle I was able to get red and blue by ~3 or 4....
Sutherland wrote:
I also just feel that phoenix stance looks cooler because clearly Udyr is a plane :D lol
Also?
Wait Phoenix does more than make him look like a plane?
Wtf else does it do, I've been using it for that reason alone o_O

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I also just feel that phoenix stance looks cooler because clearly Udyr is a plane :D lol
Agreed, made me laugh. (+ rep)