Yeah I meant after level 6. Pre-6 your only hope of a successful gank is Red buff + lane pushed to tower. But still, those after level 6 ganks can change the game. Rammus has good ganks, good damage and amazing tank capabilities. That's why he is bann often, while I could say that I have seen like 2 Warwick banns in 150 Ranked games.

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How does Lee Sin have better gank than 1.8s suppress from the bush? And Shaco is so easy to counter. Best ganks early game? Yes. Useless against actual good teams late game? Yes

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Lee doesn't need to when he can gank the **** out of everyone with massive damage at level 2.
I'm just saying, if you want a ganking jungler, you don't pick Warwick. If you want a farming jungler, you don't pick Warwick. So when do you pick him?
I'm just saying, if you want a ganking jungler, you don't pick Warwick. If you want a farming jungler, you don't pick Warwick. So when do you pick him?
I have no idea how you can keep defending him as being a ganking jungler, lol.
Seriously, Warwick was my main jungler and I freely admit he's pretty average now at best. You're just fooling yourself because you like him as a champ.
If anything he's better now in mid/top than in the jungle.
Seriously, Warwick was my main jungler and I freely admit he's pretty average now at best. You're just fooling yourself because you like him as a champ.
If anything he's better now in mid/top than in the jungle.
Nah I know Warwick isn't strong ATM, he is amongst jungler like Ashe is among AD carries. But can you really say that his ganks aren't good after level 6? And his ultimate can win you teamfight if you have organized team. Good timing and positioning when engaging with your ultimate on their damage dealer can break their team. I know hes average ATM, but he is still easy to stomp with at ~1350 ELO if you have decent team.

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I'm just saying, if you want a ganking jungler, you don't pick Warwick. If you want a farming jungler, you don't pick Warwick. So when do you pick him?
Very well said.
Even at 6 there are some better gankers.

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