New Stark's Fervor and Emblem of Valour, plus a...

[quote=lifebaka]In case anyone here hasn't already read [url=http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/new-items-locket-iron-solari-and-remade-aura-items]this[/url], Riot is remaking [[Stark's Fervor]] and [[Emblem of Valour]] in the next patch, plus adding a new aura item. Thoughts on whether this is a buff or a nerf to these items? And thoughts on the new item's active? Of course, without knowing what the new price is, it's hard to say, but the change to the Fervor's passive is a clear nerf, since 12% lifesteal is lower than the old 20%. Still, I'm betting it's going to be [[Kindlegem]] + [[Vampiric Scepter]] + [[Dagger]], putting the component cost at 1720 gold, which is fair compared with similar items like Shurelya's or the Soul Shroud, at 1650 and 1800 gold component cost, respectively. The new item in particular interests me. Most supports take a [[Heart of Gold]], and having another item to upgrade it into is interesting. It doesn't seem to be as good as [[Randuin's Omen]], in terms of stats or active, though. On the other hand, I doubt it will be much more than 2000 gold, so perhaps it could be useful for its cost.[/quote]

[quote=Zoki][url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/general/new-items-locket-of-the-iron-solari-and-remade-aura-items-12186]Theres already a thread about it.[/url][/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]It's a nerf if you look at the stats, but idk because it actually opens up a slot for carries that usually use [[stark's fervor]].[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]old starks was 1850 before recipe, if new starks is kindlegem vamp and dagger, before recipe cost is 1720. the recipe price is also more likely to be cheaper than the old recipe price. i would put it at say, 500ish gold, so a total of maybe 2200 instead of the old 2550. as for new emblem, cloth and juvy bead is only a measly 550, while vamp and juvy was 700. with the old recipe being 100 gold, i would expect a total cost of 600 to 650 of new emblem. so now lets look at the locket. it builds from emblem and hog, hog being 825. so with 825, it seems more likely that new emblem is 625, putting the item cost at 1450. lastly we have to look at how much the stats upgrade to see the new recipe cost. we gain a total of 50 health, 10 armor, 5 hp5, we lose the hog gp5 and we gain the active shield. with a reasonably low bonus gain, and considering we already had the aura, i'd say the recipe would be around 450 to 500 gold. i'd estimate the cost somewhere between 1800 and 2000.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=Zoki] [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/general/new-items-locket-of-the-iron-solari-and-remade-aura-items-12186]Theres already a thread about it.[/url] [/quote] /facepalm Sorry 'bout that. I'll double check next time.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]as long as this thread is about theory crafting with the new items then its fine. theres always a thread on the general about new champion while theres a theory craft thread on new champion, yet thats fine.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I expect new starks to be a lot cheaper than old starks so a support can buy it. If not, then it's just a trashbag item.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]hmm well, i need to do more crafting on my part. if it is building out of kindlegem scepter and dagger, the only stats its getting is 5% cdr, 5% as, and moving the as/ls to an aura. hmm... i'd assume then somewhere more around 300 gold for the recipe, making it 2000 gold total then. new emblem and locket math still stands for now.[/quote]

[quote=viper459]new stark's seems interesting on shyvana, not many good ways to get CDR on her and more lifesteal is never bad. i'm gonna have to try out that locket on something like malphite.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]well lets see how close i was. zeke herald, 2145 gold. was off by 145. emblem is 900 gold? wtf. thats retarded. locket is 2225 gold. once again im off by a lot. lets just go with 325.[/quote]