Mundo Mundo

[quote=DuffTime]Well yeah but then what? Consider early game. If I'm Shyvanna, and you're Mundo, and you have Cleanse Smite, and I have smite Flash or Smite whatever I take, you're DUUUUUUNKED. Lol. Or Udyr. Or Trundle. Or any strong early mobile jungler. Mundo is not exactly, "Safe" early game in the jungle. Any player who really understand Mundo will just bully you and/or kill you. You clear fast sure, but you're always pretty low. And then, your ganks are gonna be sub par. Smite Cleanse is just full on, 100% end game mode, and you're gonna be even weaker early for it.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I guess my point is that yeah, Cleanse is strong, but Mundo may not be able to use it effectively against aware opponents. It's like Heal Ignite is crazy good but I'm not gonna use it on Soraka. (Example is exaggerated for emphasis)[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]Are we talking about taking this to ranked? O_O /leaves thread\ But seriously, anything can happen at anytime for any reason. If your opponent can outplay you, that means the same for you against your opponent. Of course Mundo is weak early, and if this is a tier list i would not put him at the top. Normals with some friends? Hell yes.[/quote]

[quote=Svingas]I would not consider cleanse on jungle mundo. But you are going to need some magic resist anyway, why not go for a QSS?[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Mostly because Mundo is a stat whore and needs every item to count statistically, not just count for utility.[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ]Mundo is one of those weird hyrbid type dudes, like [[Yorick]] for lack of a beter example. He gets a lot of usefulness from every stat in the game (that's why Trinity, and those mid tier sort of "mid game" items are good). Mundo needs that type of thing, lots of multi stat items. Duff and I said on page 2 that he scales well with the right items.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Mehhhhhh I don't really agree. His best stats are HP and anything an AD carry would buy. To use HP you need resistances, meaning Atma's is probably the most logical Mundo item, as it accomplishes a much needed synergy between his core champion concepts. The problem is his W and his Q have zero synergy with those concepts, and his ulti is pretty meh if you ask me o: End result being you have a pretty tanky guy with above average damage for a tanky guy, who has no single high impact skill. His only real impact is damage. And he's -not- very much tankier than alternative bruisers in my experience. I'm just not convinced his damage makes up for his lack of utility, but he can fit into some good "All in" comps well enough o:[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime]It's like Heal Ignite is crazy good but I'm not gonna use it on Soraka. (Example is exaggerated for emphasis)[/quote] Well, you might miss the flash, but honestly, ignite is so strong on Solo Soraka. QQQQ+E+D = dead lane guy GG you win the lane for free for pressing three buttons.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I still prefer heal.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=BusDriver210] Are we talking about taking this to ranked? O_O /leaves thread\ [/quote] So why should you try to maximize a champions potential and not go ranked with it?[/quote]