Thinking about getting Lulu

[quote=Bittersweet][quote=Crows foot] The only champion with a more gamechanging ulti (support) might be Janna. The only other support with natural speedboost, to more than one person, is Janna. She has been nerfed but far from going to the bottom. [/quote] And Kayle, and Sona, and Nunu, and karma and sivir and Xilean... Since lulu can only do it to one champion as well.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=Mooninites] yes, I think [[Karma]] is a better support than both [[Lulu]] and [[Sona]]. Karma is probably even as lane dominant as [[Sona]], not that I think she is lane dominant any more. But honestly, what does [[Sona]] do well that [[soraka]] can't do? The only thing is Sona's ultimate, literally everything else about her is significantly worse. Her heal, her damage, everything. Same can be said about [[Karma]]. Karma's heal and damage is much higher than [[Sona]]'s. [/quote] I'm sorry, did you really just call [[Soraka]]'s damage higher than [[Sona]]'s? o_o Yes, [[Sona]]'s heal is significantly worse (though ofc it's also a lot more spammable due to the lower cooldown), but her damage is much higher than [[Soraka]]'s. [[Sona]] does not work well vs a [[Soraka]] because [[Soraka]] can just keep her carry sustained and pretty much ignore [[Sona]]'s poke, but that's why you normally pick [[Sona]] against supports without heals like [[Janna]], [[Lulu]] or something like [[Leona]] (though that's a risky move tbh because getting caught by [[Leona]] would result in death). Her poke (Q + passive) is much higher than [[Soraka]]'s [[Infuse]] damage. [[Karma]] may deal quite some damage in lane (if she's maxing her shield, that is), but she is definitely not as good as [[Sona]]. In teamfights, she doesnt add CC. Yes, her heal is an AoE heal and that's pretty good, but considering the fact she needs [[Mantra]] charges for it she can heal only 2 times in a fight. If she decides to use one of her charges for her shield instead, that will leave her at only 1 heal. Her damage also falls off completely if she doesn't build AP, making her less item-independent than other supports like [[Sona]] and more reliant on farming. [[Sona]]'s ultimate may be "the only thing" she has to offer, but it's a darn strong ultimate for teamfights, making her a stronger pick than [[Karma]] for sure. I agree with your top 5 supports (not sure about the order, but the names at least are correct), after that it's pretty much a tie between [[Sona]], [[Lulu]] and [[Blitzcrank]] (not sure about [[Nunu]], might still be good but I dont like the fact he cant ult from a bush without being seen anymore D:) @OP I can't really tell much about an aggressive [[Lulu]] other than it's probably being nerfed to a point where it's not viable anymore. Her Q has already been nerfed twice now, doesn't affect support [[Lulu]] as much but is pretty annoying for mid/top [[Lulu]]. I'd suggest looking at other champions personally.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot][quote=Bittersweet] [quote=Crows foot] The only champion with a more gamechanging ulti (support) might be Janna. The only other support with natural speedboost, to more than one person, is Janna. She has been nerfed but far from going to the bottom. [/quote] And Kayle, and Sona, and Nunu, and karma and sivir and Xilean... Since lulu can only do it to one champion as well. [/quote] Was talking about Sona, since Moon compared lulu to Sona in uslessness.[/quote]

[quote=Bittersweet][quote=Crows foot] [quote=Bittersweet] [quote=Crows foot] The only champion with a more gamechanging ulti (support) might be Janna. The only other support with natural speedboost, to more than one person, is Janna. She has been nerfed but far from going to the bottom. [/quote] And Kayle, and Sona, and Nunu, and karma and sivir and Xilean... Since lulu can only do it to one champion as well. [/quote] Was talking about Sona, since Moon compared lulu to Sona in uslessness. [/quote] This is why quote boxes are your friend :P[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=Mooninites] [quote=Crows foot] Sona is far from worst, moon as usual no idea [/quote] You can say that about usually anything, but not about supports. Bot lane is my expertise, specifically support, I know what I'm talking about there. Name a support worse than [[Sona]]. [[Lulu]] is the only one that comes to mind. I guess you could throw [[lux]] in there if you actually consider her a support yes, I think [[Karma]] is a better support than both [[Lulu]] and [[Sona]]. Karma is probably even as lane dominant as [[Sona]], not that I think she is lane dominant any more. But honestly, what does [[Sona]] do well that [[soraka]] can't do? The only thing is Sona's ultimate, literally everything else about her is significantly worse. Her heal, her damage, everything. Same can be said about [[Karma]]. Karma's heal and damage is much higher than [[Sona]]'s. I'd have to say the order of supports would be: [[Soraka]], [[Janna]], [[taric]], [[leona]], [[alistar]], [[nunu]], [[blitzcrank]], [[karma]], [[lulu]], [[sona]], [[lux]] [/quote] Karma needs farm making her automatically not viable as support.[/quote]

[quote=SkullzX]I personally like [[lulu]] as a support...I play her top a lot though because she is strong in the early levels and can shut down some bruisers pretty easily! IMO Lulu can have a very very high skill curve to her, iv seen terrible ad carries get saved countless times by great lulu's that know what they are doing. Debating aside of how good she is lulu is a ton of fun to play, I suggest you get her :D. If you want to play her top you might want attack speed runes, I don't run them because I don't have the IP for it but they do help a lot if you play her top! You must abuse your range and auto attack like CRAZY! I literally dont let them go to get a cs without getting auto attacked and if they try to fight you then they will just get kited to death by your cc and speed boost especially in the early levels! Be aware of the jungler though because I usually get camped when I lulu top because of the harrase and every jungler see's it as an "easy kill" which is soooo wrong, u see the jungler sheild self polymorph him and glitter lance the lanner and use the sheild on yourself or even on the jungler then use the glitter lance from it to hit both people! Hope this helps :D if you want any more tips on Lulu top just ask. btw early tear on her rocks![/quote]

[quote=Bittersweet]Lulu's passive doesn't gain from anything expect speed and Magic penetration. It's damage is purely based on level and its magic damage. I wouldn't AD if I were you, better off getting nashors if you wanna make use of your passive.[/quote]

[quote=SkullzX]Thanks, and you can build her AD but I usually just get the early attack damage/speed for early harrase. I still build her AP in the end just at the start I get some ad to hurt the enemy laner.[/quote]

[quote=SkullzX]Ya I usually run 21-0-9 or 21-9-0 I personally like the movespeed but you can go for the mana if you perfer. I basicly run 3 points in the AD, summoner's wrath, 4 in attack speed 4 in CD 1 in magic pen then the rest as usual ap masteries. For runes I take AP quients armor pen marks flat armor seals and mr per level glyphs or cdr per level. If you have attack speed runes I do suggest you run those for early harrase.[/quote]

[quote=Berzerk]Shes strong top or mid, but shes very comp specific. When I play her typically she will need to be run in a poke comp or a protect the carry comp (both of which she does really well). Theyve been hurting her glitterlance every patch so the pokecomp's use is becoming weaker and weaker sadly :([/quote]