could off-support be a viable new role

[quote=jinlee]I'm just curious if a role of a person could be to help others get kills while surviving on fewer kills and just in general help the team like a support but still kind of be a fighter gangplank and wukong do this very well[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka]A lot of current junglers work like this, such as [[Alistar]] or [[Malphite]]. Basically, most champs who go either top or jungle and build GP10 items fall into this category.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]i dunno when i get a lot of assists as gangplank when i go top and build GP10 i get called a noob cuz im not building pure crit =[[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=DillButt64] i dunno when i get a lot of assists as gangplank when i go top and build GP10 i get called a noob cuz im not building pure crit =[ [/quote] Because you're playing with bads. Crit GP is massively suboptimal, doesn't really do better damage than tankier builds, and certainly can't survive if focused for more than a half second. Building GP10 items on GP is fine.[/quote]

[quote=Mikuroo]you just described the role of most good junglers. apart from like shyvana or nocturne[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=lifebaka] Because you're playing with bads. Crit GP is massively suboptimal, doesn't really do better damage than tankier builds, and certainly can't survive if focused for more than a half second. Building GP10 items on GP is fine. [/quote] yeah i know thats what i normally build on him but nope im a noob cuz i have 2 kills but 13 assists and 3 deaths and not building crit D:[/quote]

[quote=Syther Blade]yeah I hate how when you play GP tank people are like NOOOOOB GET CRIT NOOOOOOB[/quote]

[quote=Xeronn][quote=Syther Blade] yeah I hate how when you play GP tank people are like NOOOOOB GET CRIT NOOOOOOB [/quote] GP bruiser is much more satisfying.[/quote]

[quote=WOMBO][quote=DillButt64] i dunno when i get a lot of assists as gangplank when i go top and build GP10 i get called a noob cuz im not building pure crit =[ [/quote] Think of it this way. Total damage = Survivability * Damage/second Critplank is high damage, low survivability. Overall low damage. Tankplank is low damage, high survivability. Overall low damage, but you don't really die. Bruiser plank is the best route honestly. Won't die so quick, deal enough damage to be significant, etc. Also, about the topic: Supports will never get enough gold to do it. Pretty much all junglers will fall into that category except for the high damage/snowball ones.[/quote]

[quote=Xeronn]I'm calling it. [[Jarvan IV]] He can make a nice kill lane since he has high base damage on his abilities. E > W > Q, and piledrive them with [[Cataclysm]].[/quote]