Warmogs seem out of control

[quote=cooper56][quote=astrolia] [quote=OTGBionicArm] Blade of the ruined king is pretty nice for health stackers. I agree they need more than that item and Liandrys for health shred. There should be atleast 2 more items for it. [/quote] IIRC BotRK is better than BT if everyone has over 2.5k HP. [/quote] Which most people do lol[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=cooper56] [quote=astrolia] [quote=OTGBionicArm] Blade of the ruined king is pretty nice for health stackers. I agree they need more than that item and Liandrys for health shred. There should be atleast 2 more items for it. [/quote] IIRC BotRK is better than BT if everyone has over 2.5k HP. [/quote] Which most people do lol [/quote] Only if you have Warmogs or you're playing Cho'gath. Average level 18 health is about 1800-2000 without health items.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]Also i would like to point out another reason health is better is there are alot of armor reducing spells on alot of popular champs like jarvan, jayce, kayle, nid, renk, shyvana, trunde urgot, wukong, xin and vi.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=Luther3000] [quote=cooper56] [quote=astrolia] [quote=OTGBionicArm] Blade of the ruined king is pretty nice for health stackers. I agree they need more than that item and Liandrys for health shred. There should be atleast 2 more items for it. [/quote] IIRC BotRK is better than BT if everyone has over 2.5k HP. [/quote] Which most people do lol [/quote] Only if you have Warmogs or you're playing Cho'gath. [/quote] Not really all its takes is one or two health item to get over 2500. Diana builds Rylai's Crystal Scepter near lvl 16 or so she will have over 2.5k and alot of mages and bruisers easily have over that much. Maybe early on but when late game hits you wont find anyone with less than 2.5k hp besides adc's.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]So in other words Ruined King becomes [i]slightly[/i] better than BT when you're attacking endgame health stackers but it is worse in every other situation. Like I said, I think it's 3000 hp and not 2500 anyway (ignoring the active). The randomness is also a factor. The lower your target gets the less damage you deal and the less you heal which tends to be the opposite of what you want in a teamfight. BT's damage and healing is consistent (and [i]always[/i] higher for 90% of the game).[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Most people get warmogs rush it as their second item. many bruisers go brutalizer warmogs. Right when they have they are often sitting at 2500 hp roughly. (As was the case with Nidalee when I fought her as Thresh) Also, we're leaving out the badass active which can be very effective in quick fights to the death at times.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Even assuming it's a good item for later in the game, consider AD itemization. The only item that can be replaced for Ruined King is Bloodthirster. Most ADs build Bloodthirster as their first item. Ruined King makes absolutely no sense as a first item because it starts off weak and becomes more valuable later in the game. The only time I can see it on AD carries is if you decided to start with IE (which is rare now) and several opponents went for Warmog's or similar.[/quote]

[quote=DemonSovereign][quote=Embracing] It's good on some bruisers like Zed [/quote] [[blade of the ruined king]]+[[death mark]] :D[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Oh we're talking about AD carries. Meh. I'm strictly speaking top lane bruisers. Seems silly to do it with carries because no one stacks health at bot. Top is where they do it frequently. And I kinda view BORK as a "tank softener" so bruisers can quickly do a lot more damage to high health targets for their carries to finish off.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I dunno what everyone else was talking about, I was talking about AD carries anyway. :P[/quote]