acaliki: It's not a bad item, although you wouldn't really need to get that defensive imo.

Amazing Swain guide... This is the first guide i picked up when i started playing Swain less than a year ago and is still my go to guide for when my brain fails me xD

I just want to know one thing.. What are your thoughts on building Spirit Visage if going for a more defensive Swain build... I mean, that passive xD

Ninjafro: Athene's Unholy Grail is still a very good item on Swain, as it gives a decent amount of AP as well as CDR and Magic resistance. Rabadon's Deathcap is always a good alternative.

Nice comprehensive build, just went 11/2 in my first game with Swain in ranked (I know, that's a bad habit of mine). Anyway, would you still recommend building Athene's Grail now that Swain's passive has been updated? I feel like I have enough mana when i'm laning and beyond that unless I keep my ult turned on for a very long time. I finished the game with RoA and Liandry's and didn't have to back so often (maybe I just killed them too fast haha). What do you think? Any more viable alternatives? Thanks :)

FreshFeelin: Thanks! That is a very true fact and I do believe I forgot to include it in that section, so props for reminding me that.

Awesome guide and my go to everytime i play Swain. Interesting to read, alot of info which is a good thing since it's mostly interesting and relevant. Just thought a good thing to add to summoner spell section might be that cleanse removes all summoner debuffs as in ignite which i guess could be awesome for someone like swain but maybe less if you aren't building around spell vamp. That's all i got. Keep up the good work.

karlkh: Don't poke her if she uses her shield, dodge her skills and let her drain all her mana while you farm up and recover. A basic E>Q>W combo should be simple and devastating as long as you don't get hit by Light Binding. Staying behind several minions should help.

Would you pls tell me how to fight lux. she can poke me down if i play passive and i cant trade with her thanks to her shield.

pls come with some advice. and BTW, nice guide.

Guyguy: I don't get chalice first, I don't know where you got that from. Rabadon's Deathcap is an optimal item choice, I don't always choose to grab it but I do when I need more damage output on squishy targets. Perhaps try reading the guide first before leaving a comment.

The major things is the chalice, why do you get it first , can you explain that ? And in you guide you didn't get rabadon death cap, why not?

Nice guide for swain I just have several debates able things about your guide
First why don't you rush roa? Swain fighting is getting into the midst of things, chalice is for those ark farmers like anivia, and IMO Sonya's is very important. Two seconds invulnerability and healing at the same time, making swain even harder to kill. I think Ramadan might be better than the abyssal because it at full build offers a base 70more ap and the percentage increase is about 100 at full build. And I don't get the debate of getting wat skill first. Most ppl dont pick until they are forced to. So I will ask Jung if he will gank level one. Good guide overall, but some areas I think could be better explained like the w skill. I prefer totally not n00bs swain guide over yours to be honest. It just have better item choices and is more in depth

Guyguy: Cool with me, you don't really have to leave a comment if you aren't going to properly explain anything you say.