Building a PC at a 650€ cap

[quote=xIchi]So I am building a PC. Although, I've been building PCs for friends and family, this is the very first one I build for myself (lol). The cap is at 650€ I do not want the best of the best, but the best for the price. No need for uber named brands if it does not help. So everyone can toss in their ideas of a comp, I will update mine! [i]CPU:[/i] i5-4440 Boxed 149€ [i]Mainboard:[/i] Gygabyte GA-H87-HD3 70-77€ (idk what's the difference of those 2 I can find here lol). [i]RAM:[/i] 8GB Crucial 1600Mhz CL9 56€ (dunno, if I will really need 16GB, therefore 8GB) [i]GPU:[/i] 2GB Gigabyte Radeon R9 270x Windforce 3x OC 165€ (whatever this seems fine or shall I go for the 4GB version for 196€?) [i]Power(what is this called in english!?!?)[/i] be quiet! Pure Power L8 500W 57€ [i]HDD/SSD:[/i] No Need, do have HDD and SSD at home. [i]DiscReader:[/i] Also have one at home [i]Case:[/i] Althought, I like the Fractel Design R4, gimme ur Ideas :D Price: 497€ (without case).[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]Netzteil mean power supply in english. [h5]At least that's the word pcpartpicker uses[/h5][/quote]

[quote=Janitsu]cooling system/CPU cooler[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]650€ is quite low budget. I'm thinking of using an AMD APU for that price to save you some money on an expensive graphics card. Perhaps have a look at a setup like this: [list] [*]Processor: AMD A10-7850K Black Edition (should ship below 150€) [*]Motherboard: MSI A78M-E45 or ASRock FM2A88M (both are only micro-atx, should ship at 50€) - if you want standard ATX perhaps look at a Gigabyte G1.Sniper A88X for just below 100€. For that extra money you get a lot of good stuff though. [*]Solid State Drive: Crucial M500 120GB - super cheap SSD for about 60€. If you want a bit more storage, go for a 240GB version for 100€. [*]Power supply: You'd probably need about 300W, but I'd recommend going for a 450W version so you can actually get some other upgrades later on if you need to (the extra 150W allows you to install a high-power graphics card). I'd recommend a Corsair or Cooler Master depending on the price you're willing to pay. Cooler Master VS V450S is a really solid supply with high efficiency but costs 70€. Otherwise you can grab a random Corsair PSU at 40€. [*]Case: Cooler Master Silencio 352 or Corsair Carbide 200R, depending on Motherboard form factor. Both are solid cases at 50-60€. [*]RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury black HX318C10FBK2/8: The cheapest Kingston kit I could find with the right frequency for the motherboard. Should be approx 60€. [*]HDD: Anything with approx 1TB total storage. 60€ [/list] So: CPU: 150€ Motherboard: 50-100€ SSD: 60-100€ HDD: 60€ PSU: 40-70€ Case: 60€ RAM: 60€ _______ + 480€ -> 570€ Add Windows to that and you'll hit about 580-670. EDIT: I just noticed you don't need SSD/HDD. Hmmm... In that case your suggested setup seems pretty spot-on to me. The case you suggested got a 5* rating on the most renowned tech site in The Netherlands so that's pretty decent. If you want to go for a bit more airflow you can go for the case I'm actually saving up money for: Corsair Carbide 500R. You might also want to consider adding a custom CPU cooler. The Gelid Solutions Tranquillo is a very cheap one (30€ approx) but gets the job done really well. That's actually something I'm saving up for right now as well. I'm going to upgrade my own home-build gaming PC as well sooooon.[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]I've heard some complaints about the intel stock coolers being terrible, but I haven't tried myself. I have a Gelid Solutions Tranquillo Rev.2 and the R4 case. The combination isn't completely silent but then again I never clean it, I'm bad at comparing such things and I'm not really into hardware. The "door" at the front of the case works pretty good in case you might be wondering. It's not like it will crack at the first time you open it. What do you plan to use the system for? 8GB is more than enough for a gaming system I'd say.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Latest Legend] I've heard some complaints about the intel stock coolers being terrible, but I haven't tried myself. I have a Gelid Solutions Tranquillo Rev.2 and the R4 case. The combination isn't completely silent but then again I never clean it, I'm bad at comparing such things and I'm not really into hardware.[/quote] Thermalright Silver Arrow is a real freaking beast. Easily the best performing cooler on the market. It's an old cooler though, which makes it kind of hard to get a hold of, but I'm likely gonna buy one, even if the price is at ~90$. It beats water coolers in both cooling and noise, so there's little reason to have one of those imo. [quote]What do you plan to use the system for? 8GB is more than enough for a gaming system I'd say.[/quote] I opted for 16GB, cuz my Firefox is consistently above 3GB alone. But I'm a little special :3 [quote=xIchi] [i]CPU:[/i] i5-4440 Boxed 149€ [i]Mainboard:[/i] Gygabyte GA-H87-HD3 70-77€ (idk what's the difference of those 2 I can find here lol). [i]RAM:[/i] 8GB Crucial 1600Mhz CL9 56€ (dunno if I will really need 16GB, therefore 8GB) [i]GPU:[/i] 2GB Gigabyte Radeon R9 270x Windforce 3x OC 165€ (whatever this seems fine or shall I go for the 4GB version for 196€?) [i]Power [s](what is this called in english!?!?)[/s] supply[/i] be quiet! Pure Power L8 500W 57€ [i]Case:[/i] Althought, I like the Fractel Design R4, gimme ur Ideas :D Price: 497€ (without case).[/quote] You might wanna opt for a more powerful CPU and a better motherboard. If you do that you can just upgrade your GPU after 2-3years and still play the newest games well, because the CPU will likely last you at least 5years. The CPU part is obvious. The best for gaming is easily the i5 4670K. It goes for maybe 250€? I dunno where you live. Motherboard is a tough call. I went for a rather premium one called Asus Maximus VI Hero. With isolated sound circuits and such luxury. If you have the cash it's definitely a good one, but it might be a bit too much. You'll want a Z87 motherboard in any case, because of the better NIC and good SATA controller. Asus generally makes solid motherboards, sticking to quality capacitors and parts that last long, so I can definitely recommend them. Perhaps the Asus Z87-A would be a good cheap-er option? Edit: Oh yeah, about the RAM. That's a very good choice. Crucial makes the only cheap CL9 DDR3 RAM right now it would seem. I'm not sure if you have that model where you live, but I bought a [url=http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Crucial/Ballistix_Sport_VLP_1600_C9/]VLP (Very Low Profile) version of the RAM[/url] for about the same price. The VLP version runs at a lower voltage, so they actually run cooler than the standard ones, despite being smaller. They also take less space in your box, so that you get better airflow and won't have to worry about any heatsinks hitting the RAM.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]I agree with Searz, I'd get a more powerful cpu like the i5 4670k (have one myself). I have a z87 Sabertooth from Asus and I love it but it was priced at around 250$ in Canada but I'm not sure if it's worth the extra cost with your budget. I've heard that Asus and Gigabyte make the most solid motherboards and lots of people say to stay away from ASrock. MSI I've heard a mix of both. It's only what I've heard, though. As for cooling, the Hyper 212 EVO is a really good cooler at a great price (~30$ in North America) if you only want to light overclock or not overclock at all (I have one and am running my 4670k at 4ghz no problem). Going to upgrade to the Swiftech H320 when I can afford one though. For Power Supply, many people say that brands are important for this one. Some good brands are Corsair, Seasonic, Antec, Silverstone and XFX. I don't think you should need less than 500W unless you are planning to crossfire in the future but 500W is a good idea. For GPU, that is a good choice and no I don't think you need the 4gb version. RAM is good. Fractal Design R4 is one of the best cases out there (especially when price is considered). To be honest cases are just a question of preference and the such. You shouldn't need a larger case than the Design R4 but if you want a different one, Corsair Obsidian cases are also very elegant and are really high quality. Have a Corsair Obsidian 750D and I love it. There are many ways to get Windows 7 (assuming you want it) without paying if you don't want to pay. If you still have room in your budget you can upgrade the GPU to a GTX 770 or R9 280x. This is just my opinion @Vynertije I don't understand why go for an APU when this budget isn't even that low? (Euros, not dollars, if you made that mistake).[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Thalia Kael] As for cooling, the Hyper 212 EVO is a really good cooler at a great price (~30$ in North America) if you only want to light overclock or not overclock at all (I have one and am running my 4670k at 4ghz no problem). Going to upgrade to the Swiftech H320 when I can afford one though.[/quote] Yeah, that's a good cheap thing, but absolutely not necessary unless you want to overclock. You should take a look at Thermalright Silver Arrow. It's kind of monstrous. It's hands down better than newer Noctua tower coolers and most of the AIO (All In One) water cooling systems like the one you linked. There really is no need to put water in your PC, and that thing seems far too expensive to be worth it. [quote]For Power Supply, many people say that brands are important for this one. Some good brands are Corsair, Seasonic, Antec, Silverstone and XFX. I don't think you should need less than 500W unless you are planning to crossfire in the future but 500W is a good idea.[/quote] You mean [b]more[/b] than 500W. Having less could be problematic, but as long as you have 500 there should be no reason to worry unless going for dual GPUs. Be Quiet! is actually a very qualitative German brand. They make good stuff. There is one problem with that PSU though: it does not support Haswell's new low-power mode. That's not a big deal though as you need to go into UEFI/BIOS to turn it on anyways (it's turned off for compatibility reasons). [quote]For GPU, that is a good choice and no I don't think you need the 4gb version.[/quote] Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. The 4GB are pointless in most games. BF4 makes some use of it and so does Skyrim modded to all hell, but other than that I don't think it will have an impact in any game. [quote]If you still have room in your budget you can upgrade the GPU to a GTX 770 or R9 280x.[/quote] He likely won't if he goes for the i5 4670K and a better motherboard with that budget. Let him comment again if he finds some hidden source of income. [quote]@Vynertije I don't understand why go for an APU when this budget isn't even that low? (Euros, not dollars, if you made that mistake).[/quote] He thought he needed an SSD and HDD.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Thalia Kael]@Vynertije I don't understand why go for an APU when this budget isn't even that low? (Euros, not dollars, if you made that mistake). [/quote] AMD APU's are actually really good. The graphics in the one I mentioned are AMD 8600 series which is quite decent and the CPU doesn't under perform to a i5 one. The reason I recommended one was because originally I had included an SSD + HDD + Windows in my build. @others Intel stock coolers are decent btw. They do the job but won't get you any overclocking. I'm running my home-build pc with an i5 2500k + stock cooler at 50-60c which is okay. Another note is that you don't really need the i5 4670k if you're not going to be overclocking. For a gaming PC the i5 4440 will work fine and is a LOT cheaper which you can then invest in a better GPU (which is far more important for gaming).[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Vynertje] AMD APU's are actually really good. The graphics in the one I mentioned are AMD 8600 series which is quite decent and the CPU doesn't under perform to a i5 one. The reason I recommended one was because originally I had included an SSD + HDD + Windows in my build.[/quote] Actually, no. Most of the APUs' CPU parts are more like i3s. An i5 4440 is likely better than the best APU (but not by a lot) and the 4670K is leaps and bounds above them both. That said, AMD's APUs are still very good cheap solutions. But if you want something a bit more beefier the only way to go is separate CPU and GPU. [quote]Intel stock coolers are decent btw. They do the job but won't get you any overclocking. I'm running my home-build pc with an i5 2500k + stock cooler at 50-60c which is okay.[/quote] Back when I was running my Core2Duo setup I was getting temps of ~25C idle and ~45C load with an overclock to 3.8GHz from 3.0GHz. And it was whisper quiet (I could get the load temp down to 40C by taking off the resistor that reduced the fan speed, but that would make it go from almost inaudible to quiet, which is totally unacceptable :D ). I was pretty satisfied. Sucks that my old cooler wasn't able to fit the new 75mm spacings in Haswell, so I'm sticking with the Intel cooler for now. I haven't dwelled into the overclocking yet as the CPU handles pretty much everything perfectly so far and overclocking draws more power. But my idle temp with the Intel cooler is 30C, which is pretty okay. I did switch the thermal paste from the crappy one included to my own high quality one. I think the temp sank like 10C from that alone (I didn't check though). It sank that much when I disassembled my GPU and applied new thermal paste there. [quote]Another note is that you don't really need the i5 4670k if you're not going to be overclocking. For a gaming PC the i5 4440 will work fine and is a LOT cheaper which you can then invest in a better GPU (which is far more important for gaming).[/quote] But the difference is that when you get a better core system (CPU and MB) then you can upgrade your GPU after a few years and still keep playing new games in high quality. You also likely get a better experience with a high quality motherboard because of better networking and storage controllers and other features.[/quote]