1) No, this is wrong, do math. (30-10)*0.85 =17 mr it is not sufficient.

2) If you are capable of farming all the wraiths and wolves at times when playing with veigar; one of the worst laners ingame, you're playing vs bots. Framing enemy wraiths? WTF get ganked and die.

3) Dunno mate, havent tried em yet. Didn't say they put you back, just telling the strengths of my build compared.

4) I do not use doran's... I was talking about the 250 hp from catalyst. Max hp is always better when ganked or in teambattles in general. Like i said, i dont know bout the stones, but youre just babbling bro. I'll try yours, you try mine, then we can talk.

1) Your magic pen runes + the 15% mastery is sufficient to cut the original 30 magic resist in the early game. You still do not need sorc boots, not even for that purpose.

2) If you aren't farming your wraiths, your enemy's wraiths, and your wolves from lvl 6 on up without missing any minion deaths from your main waves....then you are not farming mid to its fullest potential. To do so requires insane mana regen.

3) By using the stones to get all that extra farming in early game it actually puts you ahead of your enemy in both experience levels and gold/items. So many people complain that stones set you back. The truth is, they thrust you forward. By getting two stones you make yourself able to farm so much more to get your first hp item earlier than you would have if you didn't get the stones at all.

4) And if you mean a lack of hp in early game because you didnt have a doran item....wow...100hp? You think that makes a difference compared to regen'ing 50hp per 5? The regen from two stones in early game prevents ganks MORE than a dorans item. And that is not even including all the resistance to harassment it gives you to prevent the enemy from even wanting to try to gank you in the first place.

Ah, sorc vs cdr shoes - BEGIN!
When I first saw the cdr shoes + rabadons I cried out of pure joy, it was all for veigar BUT.
Not until lategame does people usually get mr, until then ap users have 30mr.
Runes + sorc shoes = 30mrp --> WIN! Those last 20 mr you take away will heighten all dmg made to the target with about 20%. You NEED this so much ive been thinking of putting in mask to counter merc treads...
Also, you need cdr early game, but more then that you need manareg. You get your boots when its killing time, therefore the cdr is more suitable for people like vlad.... and vlad whos much better at dealing consistent damage.
And while I do understand that void staff reduces the effectiveness of the sorc shoes its only there as a counter when the opponent start stacking mr. You need to adapt yourself to the situation.
Also, Midgame I have no problems with hpreg nor manareg because of my catalyst and dont need 2 stones who leaves me slow AND with low hp at ganks. Only at endgame does it become a problem but if I need to use ~3k mana in a teamfight, somethings terribly terribly wrong.
Btw, the target of your guide is similar to mine, but the build is not... at all bro.

I suggest using the new cooldown reduction boots instead of sorc shoes. Your void staff does not synergize with -magic pen items or runes, and cooldown reduction is just so OP these days that you gotta boost that up. I personally have a guide similar to yours that you may want to look at. It is a little more tanky, a little less AP, but still reaches anywhere between 650 and 750ap depending on how my farming stage went. I have magic pen runes for early game hurt, but again, I rely on void and the 15% pen from masteries to do *all* the defense cutting late game.

Feel free to look up my guide under my name to check it out and compare.

That's one of the "weird" parts of this build, no arch. I feel that it's way too expensive for just manareg and ap, which Veigar naturally has a lot of.

I personally use banshees with almost all heroes in the game, its just too good! I guess there are games for roa too, but you can never go wrong with banshees. Champions are usually designed so that their spells depend on eachother. One for dmg, one for cc, one for escaping etc, blocking one might block the rest! :)

If the enemy team is AP heavy... enemy ap --> yay for veigar --> mr for enemies --> void staff + banshees, kind of like that. Veigar has nothing to fear from any ap users, imo.

Yeah I think you're right about the frozen heart, I was thinking it would be good if you had an archangels but meh.

Maybe for situations items put a Rod of Ages say instead of a banshee's veil if they have low CC / you are doing well early game?

Also maybe an Abyssal Mask instead of a void staff if they have heavy magic damage, more MR and still gives magic pen.

But I guess you're right there really aren't that many defensive items that improves his offense and defense, but I think those might be a good addition.

Just.. great comments :'D
I'm not sure what other situational items you are talking about but Frozen Heart is more for someone deeper in the fray like melee dps or tanks. If you need to counter a hero with AS reduction, you're not playing the way you should. You should keep your distance and if someone charges at you, stun/flash/ghost (or simply use great positioning) to get out of his reach. I have used it in one match before and ultimately I selled it to give space for something more suitable. I'd love to hear more of your thoughts about it! Thanks

Some more situational items would be nice Frozen Heart for countering attackspeed champs? Etc. Overall though I think it is a good general build that will help you keep a presence late game. I feel like squishy veigars get shut down too easily late game, and this should help you stay in team fights. Rylai's will give you some more cc capability too, which is always good!

+1

Haha, yeah, striking resemblance. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks these glass cannon guides... just does not cut it. But the differences ARE there and I do think that the passive from banshees and mr are way better then the ap and extra health from RoA...etc
Thanks for your support! :D

I would say this is just like my guide, but I see that you made a similar one a couple of months ago. Glad others also think like me =] Tanky Veigar = Fun as hell no? aha