OTG's SoloQ Tier List (Patch 4.20)

[quote=Wayne3100]Can't comment on [[Viktor]], but I agree with the rest of the top lane changes. I'd probably change some things in terms of the order (and maybe change some things in the lower tiers, too), but overall it looks solid now.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Viktor]] caught some attention as a top laner after his rework because he dumpsters people like [[Ryze]] and [[Nidalee]] (before they were nerfed). Even though those champions aren't as much of a threat now, I still think he's more than solid. If anything he may be better than [[Ryze]] now after those nerfs. (He boasts higher burst, more reliable mobility with Q core, better waveclear, etc)[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox][quote=Luther3000][quote=DisturbedFox]wouldn't make sense for him to be in the same tier as corki and lucian if they both are far superior and aren't easily countered tho would it?[/quote] That's true but it also doesn't make sense for him to be in the same tier as Jinx/Twitch/Ezreal/Whatever if he's far superior to them, which in my opinion he is. The discussion in that case becomes whether he belongs at the bottom of tier 1 or at the top of tier 2 which is honestly a fairly arbitrary thing to argue about. It makes no actual difference which it is, realistically he's in the same position either way. [size=1]that kind of thing is one of the reasons why tier lists suck[/size][/quote] well I'd put him top of tier 2 cuz you need your support to actually do shit and not just stand and heal/shield. he's also pretty useless when behind[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]You could honestly say that about any ADC. It's not a very good argument.[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox][quote=OTGBionicArm]You could honestly say that about any ADC. It's not a very good argument.[/quote] yep except for the tier 1 ones ^-^. [quote=OTGBionicArm]Revision 4: Kalista has been added to tier 3 of ADC. Taric has moved up to tier 3 of Support. Yasuo got moved down to tier 2 of Mid, while Azir was moved to tier 1 and Swain moved to tier 2. Elise and Evelynn moved to tier 2 for jungle, while Shaco rises to tier 1. Lulu moved to tier 2 top, while Ryze was moved down in tier 1, Gnar was added to tier 1 and Viktor and Azir have been added to tier 2 of top lane. What do you guys think of those changes?[/quote] imo azir is not tier 1 mid. you can poke down enemy laner all you want but very rarely it's possible to actually kill them(if even skilled oppponents). yasuo is not top of tier 2, better options for that would be jayce/ahri/fizz(even tho I consider jayce to be top tier but what do I know about life after seeing him being prolly the top 3 during all of worlds). kalista seems ok for solo q like somewhere around tier 2-3 but probably complete garbage for competitive[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Even Lucian and Corki need their supports to you know.. do their job. And yes. They also are not immune to the effects of being behind. So That argument still sucks. Azir has the potential, but people mostly suck at him or too intimidated to even play him. Mid's tier 2 needs some shuffling, I agree. As for Kalista, I put her at tier 3 because I think her DPS is atrocious and her ultimate is too wonky in soloq with no real cooperation.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]So when are you putting poppy higher up?[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=OTGBionicArm]Let's get one thing straight here. I will be ignoring any comment about [[poppy]]. I am very aware of her power, don't try to persuade me. Her early game is too bad for me to move her anywhere. Wait for her rework which is supposedly the next [[Sion]] level one.[/quote] As you can see here, he already said something about [[Poppy]][/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I think he's doing it to be annoying at this point.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=OTGBionicArm]I think he's doing it to be annoying at this point.[/quote]No.. i never even noticed your comment. Any way i feel like your wrong her early game is very weak but her mid and late game is so broken it does not matter if you dont go even. I have had games where i go 0-5 in early game getting ganked over and over and tower dove then come back later on and carry.[/quote]