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Can people give a reason why they (-1) builds?

Creator: Resonar July 4, 2010 11:15pm
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Seriously, I put a lot of effort into writing a build for this damn site. It's been tested and so far the 3 friends I gave it to have a kill to death ratio of about 15/1 with it ever game at least. So when I get a (-1) with no explanation it kinda ticks me off.

I've looked at builds on this site with ratings lower than (-10) that are decent so why are they down so low? Sure they aren't quite as good as DEWO builds and guide but they have an upside and they're worth more than the credit they're being given.

I'd like to see reasoning behind these (-1)'s and not just the temper.
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i say they gota leave a comment to explain it
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Yeah that is what I'm getting at xD
There needs to be valid reason behind it cause some good builds are sitting in the gutter.
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Thank DEWO, had not seen that >_<
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We are still discussing the best way to do this. Trying to find a good balance. It's not a normal thing for a site to require a comment along with a vote, but this is also not a normal site :) We have some great stuff coming out this week, which will hopefully include some changes to voting.

Some ideas we're discussing, I'd love to hear your thoughts on them:
  • Throttling down votes so you can use it within reason, but not abuse it. Maybe you get 1 new down vote per day but can bank up to 5. Maybe you can only down vote once every hour. Maybe you can only down vote as much as you up vote.
  • Requiring comments for the first 2 or 3 people who vote. Generally once a build reaches enough down votes we can assume it really is garbage and stop requiring a comment.
  • Displaying the names of the first 5 people that voted, but once a build surpasses 5 it removes the names and only shows the totals. Perhaps posting a comment would hide your name. This might discourage abusive voters that down vote lots of builds at random.
  • Hide the score until a threshold number of votes is met. When there is only say 5 votes, the score is still relatively meaningless. After 5 votes the score becomes more meaningful and we can show it.

We will likely also implement vote changing so you can reconsider your vote later.

I'm really not a big fan of requiring comments because I feel like it will discourage voting overall and you'll wind up with a lot of 0 scores. The problem we have now is so few people are really voting, and so a couple of negative votes actually makes a difference. If everyone was voting, then those few abusers would not matter, just a drop in the bucket.

We could instead offset such abuse by hiding the score (or just show 0) until you've reached a threshold of votes. Score is hidden until you get, say, 5 votes. The problem then is people might start to feel like their votes don't matter, if a number of builds never reach that threshold.

I kind of like the idea of "buying" down votes with up votes, as this encourages more voting (and more positive voting) overall. If you know you have to balance your votes, you will probably think harder about it and I think you will consider voting up more often. I think some people actually just don't think about voting up. They want to squash the bad builds but then forget to vote on the good builds. What do you guys think of that solution? The only problem is it's a little unusual and complicated for new users.

We are also considering "normalizing" scores. Instead of showing a straight number we could show a percentage. You would never have a negative score then, the only way to have a 0 score would be if EVERY vote was negative. If your score is 0 right now, that actually means your votes were 50/50, and so your normalized score would actually be 50%.
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Copied your post Matt to Petition topic. Also idk if you particulary receve the feedback e-mails, but i would like to move the build "Miss LoL" Onto forums so it will not trash other builds since it is not a build itself :)
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/miss-lol-1818
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We don't always reply but we definitely read them all. I added your request to our issue tracker after reading your message and plan on moving it once I'm finished my current tasks :)
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<3 thx
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