M5 vs Sypher Game Discussion

[quote=Wayne3100]My god that was onesided. Impressive play and picks from M5, but also very bad play from Sypher.[/quote]

[quote=Zell][quote=Wayne3100] [quote=AncientNecro] here's Duff? I'm waiting on him to start goin on about this GP vs Riven top lane ^_^ [/quote] lol, yeah he'd probably say 'See? GP wins!'... But then again, yesterday Riven won this lane, so... :P Just like GP has to play well to beat Riven, Riven has to play well to beat GP. Atm, this Riven is not. Zell, if Riven is outdamaging GP there's no reason for her to not have farm, farming for her is easy. I'm not impressed by Riven, that's all [/quote] During the freeze if he went on him he'd just end up pushing more and she only "seemed" like doing more damage due to it being quick 1vs1s if she goes on him for even a bit longer likewise with Gangplank then the passive would fully kick in and advantage Gangplank.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=AncientNecro] Every time I see Janna + Vayne I know it's coming. [/quote] Right, it's not like they lost because Janna just ran into Sona and Kennen and died.. -.-' Seriously, that lane isn't all that bad. They just didn't play all that well. [quote=Zell] During the freeze [/quote] the what? o_o [quote=Zell] she only "seemed" like doing more damage due to it being quick 1vs1s if she goes on him for even a bit longer likewise with Gangplank then the passive would fully kick in and advantage Gangplank[/quote] Riven wasn't losing a lot of health and she only had lifesteal from a couple of Doran's Blades, the only way that's possible if she simply doesn't receive a lot of damage. I just think it's weird Riven was playing aggressively at all. GP had blue, so over a longer period of time he should outdamage her if she doesn't manage to disengage well (in this game Riven normally did though), but also he could just heal back her damage anyway and it wasn't costing him lasthits while Riven seemed to miss a lot of cs by focusing on GP o_o[/quote]

[quote=AncientNecro][quote=Wayne3100] [quote=AncientNecro] Every time I see Janna + Vayne I know it's coming. [/quote] Right, it's not like they lost because Janna just ran into Sona and Kennen and died.. -.-' Seriously, that lane isn't all that bad. They just didn't play all that well. [/quote] It's been three games so far with Janna + Vayne bottom. they are all PROFESSIONALS. You'd think, if that lane stood even a moderate chance, that it would have at least done SOMETHING throughout all three games. But no, no matter what they are matched against, Janna + Vayne FAILED. This same thing happened in countless scrims this week. That sole move by Janna was pretty horrible though. So everyone keeps getting on me for saying Janna + Vayne sucks. But where is your evidence supporting otherwise? Theories are great, sure it sounds like it would work, but against any sort of sustain whatsoever, Janna + Vayne is one of the worst, most idiotic mistakes I've seen made. Against sustain, you need sustain. +People need to stop trying to ezmode vayne.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Which is why [[Vayne]] got an early Wriggles, right? Is [[Janna]] not supposed to be picked against [[Alistar]], [[Sona]], [[Soraka]] and [[Taric]]? o_o I haven't seen all Vayne-Janna combos, but I just think this game proves nothing, that's all.[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond]RIVEN #1[/quote]

[quote=AncientNecro][quote=Wayne3100] Which is why [[Vayne]] got an early Wriggles, right? Is [[Janna]] not supposed to be picked against [[Alistar]], [[Sona]], [[Soraka]] and [[Taric]]? o_o I haven't seen all Vayne-Janna combos, but I just think this game proves nothing, that's all. [/quote] I don't understand the theory behind it, and I never see it roll successfully (unless the other team plays horribly, that is) IMO no. [[Janna]] should never be picked against any lane with sustain. There are simply better options. The saving grace would be if the carry has their own sustain / tricks to keep themselves up, then I could understand the choice. I just never see it bring success.[/quote]