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Zileas Wrote:
Hey guys --

We thought a lot about Xin Zhao. I think his problem is that in a long, sustained fight he just runs out of steam.

So, we are going to make it so that his ult comes back any time he gets a kill or assist. This should prevent his burst at the beginning from getting too much better, while giving him a better late game presence and not making him faceroll late.

To address concerns about early ganking, we will be reducing his charge slow to 30% for lower levels, then have it inch back up to 40% with levelup.

Sound good?
- Zileas

Also -- Thinking about doing a Jeff Jew (shirtless) skin for XZ. I assume everyone wants that.
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i think. this is utterly rediculous. Next patch what i want to see is:

His three talon strike damage boost reduced to 10/15/20/30/50
His charge slow being reduced to 25% (i think its rediculous it does the same as Exhaust)

I think these are more than fair. as his battle cry enables him to juggle you with three talon. which is basically almost a three second stun. His ultimate doesn't bother me massively as there are worse ones out there, However his slow and three talon anger me, to a beyond rediculous degree. he has to run out of steam, otherwise he would be unstoppable.
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So for me:

No change to TTS. It is a ****ing "white" with some additional damage. Yi has nearly the same stuff but doesnt knock up, but can crit tho or double strike, noone cries coz of that.

The Battle Cry is ok. After you used TTS and you ran out of battle cry... you are unable to do anything tbh...

The charge. I would leave the 40% slow, but. do it on a high scaling via lvling. 15%/20%/25%/30%/40% or something. So it will not slow for 40% on lvl 1.

Ultimate is just ridiculous. I would change it to hit max 2/3/4 targets depending on ulti lvl.

Everything he does can be negleted by some armor. Just get something with armor and he is ****ed up. dont feed him and than QQ that he is OP.

Also i would make him a bit more mana dependant. I would leave TTS as it is but make his ulti and charge cost more mana.


All ppl that QQ about him are ******s that feed him and than cry that he is OP. Try to feed pantheon and he will rape your *** in that 1sec stun duration with heartseeker. Noone cries about that? I am sick and tired, he is powerful and VERY easy to handle that makes him deadly. But tbh sion can rape your *** just the same, under 1 stun duration. Noone cries.

Make slow % via lvl, lower the targets amount on ulti and more mana dependant and he is ok.
Save 1 stun for him, and he is useless, take him out as he charges in, and he will be as usefull as 1 hit 1 dead champ. Make some armor. DO NOT QQ.
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I do agree that he is overrated, but then again almost all new champs are when they first come out. But i definately do agree that he isn't op. He is nothing once his TTS and Battle Cry wear out, and people only cry about him being OP cause he's fed. People always complain about champions being OP just cause they get owned by them. I don't think DEWO could have said it any better. Although the ulti change might make him op, as he can use it multiple times in a team fight to just devestate the enemies.
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DEWO wrote:

So for me:

No change to TTS. It is a ****ing "white" with some additional damage. Yi has nearly the same stuff but doesnt knock up, but can crit tho or double strike, noone cries coz of that.

The Battle Cry is ok. After you used TTS and you ran out of battle cry... you are unable to do anything tbh...

The charge. I would leave the 40% slow, but. do it on a high scaling via lvling. 15%/20%/25%/30%/40% or something. So it will not slow for 40% on lvl 1.

Ultimate is just ridiculous. I would change it to hit max 2/3/4 targets depending on ulti lvl.

Everything he does can be negleted by some armor. Just get something with armor and he is ****ed up. dont feed him and than QQ that he is OP.

Also i would make him a bit more mana dependant. I would leave TTS as it is but make his ulti and charge cost more mana.


All ppl that QQ about him are ******s that feed him and than cry that he is OP. Try to feed pantheon and he will rape your *** in that 1sec stun duration with heartseeker. Noone cries about that? I am sick and tired, he is powerful and VERY easy to handle that makes him deadly. But tbh sion can rape your *** just the same, under 1 stun duration. Noone cries.

Make slow % via lvl, lower the targets amount on ulti and more mana dependant and he is ok.
Save 1 stun for him, and he is useless, take him out as he charges in, and he will be as usefull as 1 hit 1 dead champ. Make some armor. DO NOT QQ.
Give it some time, they won't know any better until they all try him themselves. Which in my experience w/ Mordekaiser is going to take around 3 months. But that is only if he truly isn't all that OP, otherwise he's going to end up as Shen -> Nerf, nerf, nerf... guys, he's still OP!, nerf, nerf, nerf -> OP!!!
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DEWO wrote:

So for me:

No change to TTS. It is a ****ing "white" with some additional damage. Yi has nearly the same stuff but doesnt knock up, but can crit tho or double strike, noone cries coz of that.

The Battle Cry is ok. After you used TTS and you ran out of battle cry... you are unable to do anything tbh...

The charge. I would leave the 40% slow, but. do it on a high scaling via lvling. 15%/20%/25%/30%/40% or something. So it will not slow for 40% on lvl 1.

Ultimate is just ridiculous. I would change it to hit max 2/3/4 targets depending on ulti lvl.

Everything he does can be negleted by some armor. Just get something with armor and he is ****ed up. dont feed him and than QQ that he is OP.

Also i would make him a bit more mana dependant. I would leave TTS as it is but make his ulti and charge cost more mana.


All ppl that QQ about him are ******s that feed him and than cry that he is OP. Try to feed pantheon and he will rape your *** in that 1sec stun duration with heartseeker. Noone cries about that? I am sick and tired, he is powerful and VERY easy to handle that makes him deadly. But tbh sion can rape your *** just the same, under 1 stun duration. Noone cries.

Make slow % via lvl, lower the targets amount on ulti and more mana dependant and he is ok.
Save 1 stun for him, and he is useless, take him out as he charges in, and he will be as usefull as 1 hit 1 dead champ. Make some armor. DO NOT QQ.


The guy's ulti takes away a quarter of your HP. And it can hit more than 1 player! Not to mention that his health pool scales a lot better than pantheon's each level up

And lets see the following caracteristics of Xin:

- Stun ability: Check!
- Slow/Snare ability: Check!
- Atack Speed ability: Check!
- Cooldown Reduction ability: Check!
- Huge Burst and AOE Massive Damage ability: Check!

There is no way for a carry/suport class to survive against Xin because no one plays one to make a build surrounding taking less damage from Xin, whose all damage is physical. His ultimate does too much damage to anyone but the tank. He has a dash like ability that allows him to move closer to his enemies and use his ulti. He can tank and DPS. If I'd have to say anything, he is the perfect heroe and only lacks a decent lifesteal ability to be unbeatable
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I think you saying "just get armour" isn't a good response in honesty. afterall, we all have our preferred item builds etc, and you shouldn't have to gear your champion because of one character.. i only put some armour if there's a general trend of physical damage amongst the team. Say you have 4 Ability Power champions and a Xin. You telling me your going to put about a 80 armour dump in your item build? just for that one guy. your wasting 2/3 item slots on protecting aginst one character of a 5 person team. thats going to seriously damage your damage capabilities if your anything but a tank.
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I think DEWO i just defending his new IP farming Champ :P
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TBH i farm IP with Tryndamere now :) But:

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Pantheon:
Stun: Check!
Ranged attack: Check!
Teleport ability: Check!
Tanking ability: Check!
Burst damage: Check! (2x better than xin)

we can do lists like that for each champ, and i dont see your point in it.

The ulti takes quater of hp and it is aoe even 5 champs. that is true but, in order to take it you have to go straight in the middle of opposing team. Even with the MR and AR you get from using it... it might be the only attack you do. You just go inside and... die if the other team have 1/10 of brain. And it will take that much damage if they are full health also. I agree that this is realy nice ability and should be nerfed a bit but its an ultimate.

Also he slows... hmmm ok but there are 10 times better slows than this one. The op this skill has is that it has quite big range and it instantly gets you to the champ you want, without beeing too much harrased. But on the other hand... Yi has the same and noone cries. Also as i stated the slow should be lvl based. and they will do it like this i am 100% sure about it.

Attack speed buff... hmmm you know AS is nice but the real strenght in this skill is the cdr it provides. 35% on lvl 5 with 70% on use. you can get 30% AS with 2 daggers. Yi Wuju Style is way better and noone cries.

TTS - well it is basicly making your 3 attacks better and you get a stun. Just cc him before he can unleash this 3rd one and he is dead.

I still state that dont feed and dont qq when you do. It is extremaly easy to feed him, and total brainless n00bs can play this champ good since he is so easy to play, makes him "OP".


"I think you saying "just get armour" isn't a good response in honesty. afterall, we all have our preferred item builds etc, and you shouldn't have to gear your champion because of one character.."

Well than dont feed him. If you do, than counter him with armor. So far i havn't got ANY problems with killing Xin as trynda/yi/teemo/garen/gangplank or any caster. 1 stun and he is done, dont bunch in teamfight making him less effective with ultimate. Save 1 cc for him.

ehhhh... nerf heimer not him... that ******ed brainiac is so OP and noone gives a **** about him. He doesnt even need freaking kills to get all items he wants. Turrets farm for him while he is ganking other lanes and so on.
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I wouldn't call Heimer OP, I'd call him annoying *****. He can barelly do anything without turrets. You surprise one and he dies really fast, not to mention most of them don't even know where to position they're turrets and themselves

I still say the same, Xin is too OP as Panth is, but the difference, and I mentioned it, is that Xin scales a lot better with each level than Panth does. Panth late game can get really ****ty with the wrong build and it's true

And the "Well don't feed Xin and he won't get OP" is kinda stupid because no one is even drawing up such scenario. We're talking early laning game, how he can close the gap on you while slowing in an area and stun you afterwards with 3 stronger attacks and the stun. And unless your lanemate is completelly ****** and tower hugs, it's basicaly a death for the other person

I could point other heroes who are also as annoying and Panth would be one of them but I feel rather simpathetic towards Panth since he already saw the banhammer recently while Xin raped his mother inside out the moment he was born and still rapes us. In the right hands, he is deadly!
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