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So I just played as Olaf and completely countered Morgana top. I started with boots of speed and three hp and went back as soon as I had enough for vampiric scepter and ported back in. The whole time she would land her dark bindings except for a couple and she would use her pool on the minions, but I just tore through her. Is Olaf a Morgana counter? I maxed out his W first instead of E so that I could stay pretty much full health from that and just constantly harass her. I ended the game 8-0-6 with the most cs in the game and destroyed top turret before laning phase was over. Was this just a fluke or does it make sense for him to be a Morgana counter. Please discuss and if you have any other questions about how I built or anything I would be happy to answer. Oh and also her jungle ganked at least three times since I was ahead and mine didn't gank at all.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Rudmed » January 24, 2012 6:56pm | Report
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So I just played as Olaf and completely countered Morgana top. I started with boots of speed and three hp and went back as soon as I had enough for vampiric scepter and ported back in. The whole time she would land her dark bindings except for a couple and she would use her pool on the minions, but I just tore through her. Is Olaf a Morgana counter? I maxed out his W first instead of E so that I could stay pretty much full health from that and just constantly harass her. I ended the game 8-0-6 with the most cs in the game and destroyed top turret before laning phase was over. Was this just a fluke or does it make sense for him to be a Morgana counter. Please discuss and if you have any other questions about how I built or anything I would be happy to answer. Oh and also her jungle ganked at least three times since I was ahead and mine didn't gank at all.


Well lets see. You got ragnarock, Reckless Swing, lifesteal, and you're not a caster. Plus you do all physical damage. So, yeah you kinda do counter her, because you can ignore all her cc. She can only shield your slow, and not your damage. Yeah, she is considered OP (to casters or those with alot of CC), but to Olaf? Not really.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Pranzatelli » January 24, 2012 7:00pm | Report
If I had to make a guess as to why you countered her, I would put my bet on MR.
Olaf and Morgana both rely on their lifesteal/spell vamp, respectively. They both rely on their damage to stay ahead of the enemy.
My theory as to why you beat Morgana was that you had more MR than she had armor, and your auto-attacks were a more consistent source of health than her spells were?

It might be something in how you decided to build your Olaf. Do you have records (LoLReplay or memory?) of what you decided to go? I think this is interesting.

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I started boots and 3 hp, then I got vampiric as soon as I had the money. The lane was pretty tight before the vampiric scepter and still somewhat tight until about level four. Then I just started to pretty much ignore her and keep running at her every once in a while to reckless swing and go back to minions. She would snare me, but the cooldown was too long for her to be able to stay close enough to minions without me hitting her. After merc treads it was over. I then went straight for Warmog's and FON and didn't get much farther than that before they surrendered. I think everyone else on my team was negative. I had arpen reds, armor seals and glyphs and mr/lvl glyphs.

Edit: And specifically regarding what Rudmed said. I had pretty much won the lane or close before I hit level 6. Thst just made it so she could not come back.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Pranzatelli » January 24, 2012 7:16pm | Report
So, what Rudmed said+the value of MR+the value of tenacity=Olaf can counter Morgana.
Between Mercury's Treads, MR glyphs and your true/physical damage, your harass>her harass.
That's pretty cool.

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Very good to know, because she is usually a huge pain to lane against for a lot of champs.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Luther3000 » January 24, 2012 7:38pm | Report
A lot of that is because people insist on sending standard AP champs to lane against her.
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Yeah just send a barbarian and you're set.

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Luther3000 wrote:

A lot of that is because people insist on sending standard AP champs to lane against her.


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A good Morg can lane against a good Olaf.

I don't see advantage either way in my head.
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