R.I.P. Support Annie

[quote=Vynertje]One champion change doesn't make a metashift. It takes more than that.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted]Cannot wait for him to be useful and for everyone I play with to not blame me for a loss. I'm also looking forward to Nasus/Zilean bot; where there is no escape.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]The reason [[annie]] support is picked is because her initiation potential is instant. [[summon: tibbers]] is an instant speed stun. There is no dodging it without a preemptive flash. None. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nothing Whatsoever. Zilean won't replace [[annie]] because Q+W+Q will take time to cast and land - especially now that Q is a skillshot. Zilean will be on par with [[sona]]'s initiation potential with [[crescendo]] - slightly worse than leona's initiation potential with [[solar flare]] when you take into account the casting range of the spells.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]But, for that, [[Zilean]] has one of the most broken ultimates in the game, the reason why he was like always sometimes seen. It is the same if you would give [[shen]] a kit rework which makes his kit more usefull while keeping his ultimate.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Oh, yes. I did not mean to imply that zilean was not viable, but that annie will always have the "fastest" engage in that there is literally no way to react fast enough to her ult to prevent the stun, aside from flashing preemptively.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Utopus pretty much covered all I'd have to say. Support [[annie]] was never taken solely for her ability to instastun with very small room for counterplay, but also for her insane base damages.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I remember the times where Shen was once buffed and suddenly everyone wanted to use Shen together with specific teamcomps around him.[/quote]

[quote=Blian][quote=utopus]Oh, yes. I did not mean to imply that zilean was not viable, but that annie will always have the "fastest" engage in that there is literally no way to react fast enough...[/quote] Unfortunately [[Tristana]]'s W do the trick and that is pretty annoying because even if you land your stun it will only take effect where she lands after the rocket jump and that gives enough time to get away.[/quote]

[quote=ArgusGaming]My opinion (not facts that I know of) is that he will be really strong after rework. This often happens to new champs and also reworked champs. But if we look at the bright side, they will get nerfed one day. If rito sees that Zilean gets a massive increase in win rate, they will probably do something. I hope...[/quote]