XJ9 unbanned?

[quote=Latest Legend][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Latest Legend]I agree with Bitpik and I can't say I respect the personal attacks just because you don't agree with him. In fact, I think you should be banned from the game for that. Seriously though, if I go on the internet and post pictures of what happens after the EUW inhouses in a back alley, it has nothing to do with the game League of Legends. He committed no crimes while playing League or using League. If you post nudes of someone because they drive in a certain car, that doesn't cost you your driving license. I find it even more disturbing that some of you find it rectified to just ban convicts out of everything. You might as well just put a gun to their heads and finish it immediately. Of course it would be very apt and funny to reply saying you would like to do just that, but I'd prefer to not go that route if you don't mind. Riot, as far as I know, has all the rights on their game though, and they can simply ban whoever they want whenever they want. So I see no problem with them banning the guy. Though I do hope that you will refrain from making downright unsophisticated comments about simply banning convicts of any sort from everything. All people make mistakes, all people have pasts and all people have mental breakdowns. If the shoe fits, wear it.[/quote]I, at least, was not trying to personally attack anyone. Even if you ignore the fact that he threatened Riot employees and posted nudes of his gf on his facebook page (which was popular [b]because[/b] he was a famous League player) because he didn't do them in game, his in game behavior was also extremely toxic and he was permanently banned for it. His illegal behavior was further exacerbated by the fact that he did it as a popular streamer/former pro player associated with League of Legends on places where he, again, was mostly popular due to League of Legends. I don't think we should ban convicts out of everything, but given that xj9's illegal behavior was largely related to League of Legends and also made widely known because of that fact, it's fair for Riot to ban him in this situation. Riot should never have unbanned him at all and it was a mistake to do so for a short period of time, but rectifying that immediately is something I can only be happy about. Making a habit of excusing illegal/generally bad behavior because someone is basically a celebrity is a shitty thing to do. Also, I still maintain that if someone refuses to believe they did anything wrong, they're unlikely to change. He has yet to admit he deserved to be banned in the first place.[/quote] [quote=Latest Legend]If the shoe fits, wear it.[/quote]I didn't see you personally attacking anyone either, it wasn't directed at you. Btw: if the "at least" was aimed at me, right back at you. :P I think that posting nudes of a girlfriend (or anyone else) is not related to the video game League of Legends. As his person is related to the video game, I can see Riot banning him, which I think is fine because Riot isn't a legal instance. I did not mean to give my opinion of the ban though (that's not what I meant with "I agree with Bitpik", sorry for that). [quote=Latest legend] Riot, as far as I know, has all the rights on their game though, and they can simply ban whoever they want whenever they want. So I see no problem with them banning the guy.[/quote] [quote=The_Nameless_Bard] Also, I still maintain that if someone refuses to believe they did anything wrong, they're unlikely to change. He has yet to admit he deserved to be banned in the first place.[/quote]I did not comment on that, nor do I intend to because I think that's worthy of another thread. I was just being baffled by the, in my opinion, ridiculous comments that can be found here and there in this thread. My opinion of that, written in the post you quoted, still stands.[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu]This is the guy who got popular for being toxic, racist and straight-down mean to people. I remember that when he was permabanned after the previously mentioned incidents, he used it to get more people to follow him and support him by saying that he will kill himself because Riot is unfair towards him, because there was no reason to ban him if person X and person Y weren't banned. Sure, if he has matured they could let him in with chat ban for undefined amount of games (given that he actually admits doing wrong and understands why death threats are illegal and got him banned). Also, I think that threats that affect your real life (not in-game toxicity like "stupid fizz l2p", real threats etc.) shouldn't be tolerated on any level. Those things can cause some serious problems to those who have been threatened. In addition, it's illegal so therefore your brain should already stop you from saying such things if you had any sense. EDIT: XJ9's "fans" are currently calling Riot Lyte jew, faggot, idiotic, racist, hater, homo, stupid batshit, horse cock etc.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=bitpik]Leaking the Lee sin nudes was something personal and shouldn't affect the ban all that much in my opinion.[/quote] THERE ARE LEE SIN NUDES!? BURB[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe][quote=Searz]THERE ARE LEE SIN NUDES!? BURB[/quote]Once you have mastered the internet, you see nudes everywhere young student[/quote]

[quote=bitpik][embed=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbVpWFdUAw] LS probably knows more about this case than anyone of us, i recommend checking this video out if you're intrested in the Xj9 case.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted]Didn't even know this guy existed, sweet Jesus. From the comments and Riot's response alone he seems pretty fucked.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote=bitpik][quote=utopus]In trying to look at this from riot's perspective. What do they have to gain from having him play again? League becomes a little more prominent. There's a small chance he'll contribute to league through his entertainment. What are the risks of having him play again? He'll relapse to his toxic behavior and demean the community. If i was riot, I would put him on probation, since people can change and mature a lot in 2 years. I would take the risk and let him play again, knowing fully well that he could ruin games for the people he would be playing with. The fact that riot isn't even considering doing that is a testament to how highly lyte values the enjoyment of the common player.[/quote] And they DID put him on probation for three months before officially unbanning him. Seems unfair that Riot would chose to ignore that. XeresAce: Point is that A LOT of 16 years olds do fucked up things that they'd never do a few years later. Young Gooby made a video about this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBCYwM6s0N0 . Not every 16 year old does fucked up things, most don't. That doesn't mean that those who do should be banned for life from league and potentially other things. One thing i want to clear out aswell is that XJ9 was never more than averagely toxic in soloqueue, and in the past year he has almost never typed anything. Even before he was banned he wasn't really THAT toxic(there are people that were more toxic in LCS today). He was NOT banned for toxicity, 90% of his ban was from death threats and elo boosting. He elo boosted a lot of people but do you remember that elo boosting used to be common for pro players? The context behind the death threats(all directed at Riot Jay) was that he used to elo boost an ex, and then the ex broke up with him for Riot Jay when XJ9 got banned for elo boosting. XJ9 wanted his ex to be banned only because he himself got banned. And when he made posts on the forums stating that she should be banned aswell the posts got insta removed. He related the insta removes to Riot Jay protecting her and he believes that most of the reason to her not being banned is because she's together with a rioter(which COULD be true?). The only death threats he ever sent were towards Riot Jay. After being permabanned from the forums he intentionally fed on her account and pretended to be her when contacting riot support, which is also one of his ban reasons. Like i said i still think he deserved a ban but when you take context into account i don't think he deserves an on-sight ban for over two years. It would have been fair for everyone if he got unbanned now in my opinion. If you take away leaking the nudes(just found out that it wasn't fully nude, NSFW things were blurred out, still really bad) then he really wasn't that bad. Incarnati0n used to be much worse ingame (DDosing and flaming insanely hard), Incatnati0n actually got permabanned several times for toxicity, XJ9 has only been permabanned from the death threats etc. I think Incarnati0n deserves the unban and if Incarnati0n gets unbanned i don't see any reason to not unban XJ9 aswell. [/quote] I get your point, but why is being banned from a game SO bad when the game clearly influences him negatively? He doesn't seem like he's just 'enjoying a game', he displays traits of extreme addiction... And honestly about the whole girlfriend dating rioter thing, yeah it does seem like he got played quite badly but does getting your account banned in a game really justify threatening to kill someone? Nope I feel like people are forgetting that this is just a game. You could argue that a potential 'job' opportunity was taken away from him ('professional' league streamer) but if he really doesn't feel like getting a more worldly job he could always just pick up a different game and make money anyways since he seems good at online games in general?[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=utopus][url=https://www.facebook.com/xj9lol?ref=br_rs]Read his recent facebook posts[/url], and tell me again, that that's not the attitude of someone who hasn't matured and changed at all.[/quote] Dat double negative. But yeah, if he has improved his behavior then I don't see why he should keep being punished for what he did years ago. I don't know all the specifics, but is it not better to incentivize improvement rather than permanently punish somebody for their mistake? [quote=Latest Legend]Seriously though, if I go on the internet and post pictures of what happens after the EUW inhouses in a back alley, it has nothing to do with the game League of Legends. He committed no crimes while playing League or using League. If you post nudes of someone because they drive in a certain car, that doesn't cost you your driving license.[/quote] He seems to have committed some, but the nudes weren't one of them. [quote=Latest Legend]I find it even more disturbing that some of you find it rectified to just ban convicts out of everything. You might as well just put a gun to their heads and finish it immediately. Though I do hope that you will refrain from making downright unsophisticated comments about simply banning convicts of any sort from everything. All people make mistakes, all people have pasts and all people have mental breakdowns. If the shoe fits, wear it.[/quote] +1[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]XJ9 did some fucked up things but the community hopping on the pitchfork bandwagon without even having full knowledge of the situation is ridiculous. Riot also really screwed up with communication and consistency in rulings as well here. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the guy nor condone what he did. XJ9 was extremely toxic prior to his 2 year ban. However, he was promised an opportunity for reform and actually passed the test (assuming the information given out is correct). His brief stream session also displayed no negativity at all, even with people talking shit to him. He may have done some really messed up shit outside of the game, but I don't see how that's related to his League of Legends ban. The qualities he was banned for: 1. Toxicity - addressed 2. Eloboosting - common phenomenon 3. Logging on gf's acc and wasting RP - amendable especially since the RP system doesn't create an economy that affects the prices of items, which XJ9 claimed to have known would happen How is that any different from Incarnati0n's ddos situation? Incarnati0n was toxic and he ddosed before, which is of relative similarity to XJ9's situation, yet he was unbanned. The only difference lies in the GF nudes issue, and I don't believe Riot should be extending their game-related bans to people who did game-unrelated issues, unless they really want to extend their jurisdiction to whoever the fuck they want banned. I'm sure that helps boost their credibility and establishes great precedence for future ban targets[/quote]

[quote=bitpik]I like how this thread turned out(lots of discussion, not like reddit where everyone arguing with the hivemind got downvoted into oblivion). In the end i guess Riot does what they wan't with their banning. I don't agree with what they have chosen to do but it can't be helped at this point. I am pretty pissed at Riot for what they did, but the biggest reason to why i made this thread was to complain about the reddit thread itself. Now, most of the extremely harsh comments have been deleted by the mods but there was a comment with 70 upvotes stating that XJ9 should just kill himself. I think we all know how XJ9 feels at the moment about his life and i hope the thread doesn't push him over the edge. If hes ever going to commit suicide over league, its probably now. I'm very sad cause despite of popular belief i used to think XJ9 was a nice guy before he did the things he did. Like Utopus i learned more from watching him play than from watching any other stream. I really hope he makes it through and if he doesn't then I'll be so depressed. XeresAce: You arguments would have worked if XJ9 was just a normal guy but i honestly think that XJ9 being banned again could be absolutely terrible for him. I don't think he has a life outside of league and other online games. If that really is the case then he's truly fucked unless he gets a lot of help.[/quote]