Thoughts on Vi

[quote=cronokidd313]So for the past few days I picked up Vi and I admit I love her. I've had a lot of success with her always going positive in my kda. I've won 7 out of 10 matches with her. I just wonder why did she fall out of the meta I mean she perfect for ganking and her tank build is amazing. Black Cleaver and Dead Man's Plate combo Build gives her good tankiness as well as amazing Damage. only problem I she is that she can get kited at times and she doesn't have a good disengage. But her pick off potential is amazing with her ult. Does anyone have an opinion this is just my observation so far[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Her main weaknesses are: 1. She is weak pre-6 and very much relies on her ult for ganks 2. Once you press R you HAVE to commit, there is no way out for you and your team 3. She kinda needs to snowball in order to be effective[/quote]

[quote=cronokidd313]well I disagree pre-6 she can pull off some good ganks easily and if you go tank she still does a crap ton of damage so if she falls off she still is valuable in some type of way.[quote=Vynertje]Her main weaknesses are: 1. She is weak pre-6 and very much relies on her ult for ganks 2. Once you press R you HAVE to commit, there is no way out for you and your team 3. She kinda needs to snowball in order to be effective[/quote] well I disagree pre-6 she can pull off some good ganks easily and if you go tank she still does a crap ton of damage so if she falls off she still is valuable in some type of way.[/quote]

[quote=LevasK]Words from a true [[Vi]] god - me : While [[Vi]] is strong in duels and ganks pre-6, all her power is loaded into a single, slow moving, heavily telegraphed skillshot, so while she's not weak per say, her power pre-6 is very inconsistent. [spoiler=And now for my opinion on Vi:] She's a great solo q champion, especially versus less experienced players, her flexible build paths allow you to adapt to most situations, and with just a [[Trinity Force]] you can turn her into a pseudo-assassin. However, she's the definition of an all in champion, as Vynertje mentioned, once you press R, you have no way out + often you'll find yourself in situations where you turn into a press R bot, that being said, her R [[Assault and Battery]] does a phenomenal job of doing what it's meant to do - start a fight/single out one person, on top of that, if allowed her damage output in fights can get pretty obscene for a bruiser/tank.[/spoiler] TL;DR- [[Vi]] is a great solo q jungler, with clear strengths and weaknesses, sometimes she turns into just a 1 trick pony, but the trick she does almost never gets old.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Disagree all you want but it's the most supported view on Vi out there. Her pre-6 ganks are lacking in CC as her Q is easily avoided/dodged due to short range and charge time. If you decide to go tanky you'll be better off picking a different champion with more effective crowd control or more dominant pre-6. Tanky vi will never be as useful as e.g. tanky jarvan/reksai/gragas.[/quote]

[quote=cronokidd313][quote=Vynertje]Disagree all you want but it's the most supported view on Vi out there. Her pre-6 ganks are lacking in CC as her Q is easily avoided/dodged due to short range and charge time. If you decide to go tanky you'll be better off picking a different champion with more effective crowd control or more dominant pre-6. Tanky vi will never be as useful as e.g. tanky jarvan/reksai/gragas.[/quote] very true but her ult is used for one task take out the carry and cause a distraction this is why I like tank Vi or even Tri-Force Vi even tho you do have to commit. I've seen people ult in, combo and kill the carry flash away and use q to get distance will the enemy team chased her the team came from behind and cleaned up and I have to agree on her q too short of a range but when it hits you she sticks to you. Im not saying she's is the best Jungle but she has way more pros than cons it comes down to honestly player awareness and player knowledge I see vi like a easier vayne. Easy to learn but need a lot of knowledge and mechanics to show the champs true potential[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu]There is very little you can do if [[vi]] flash ganks you which is usually the way to get succesful first blood. Her pre 6 is ok.[/quote]

[quote=cronokidd313][quote=LevasK]Words from a true [[Vi]] god - me : While [[Vi]] is strong in duels and ganks pre-6, all her power is loaded into a single, slow moving, heavily telegraphed skillshot, so while she's not weak per say, her power pre-6 is very inconsistent. [spoiler=And now for my opinion on Vi:] She's a great solo q champion, especially versus less experienced players, her flexible build paths allow you to adapt to most situations, and with just a [[Trinity Force]] you can turn her into a pseudo-assassin. However, she's the definition of an all in champion, as Vynertje mentioned, once you press R, you have no way out + often you'll find yourself in situations where you turn into a press R bot, that being said, her R [[Assault and Battery]] does a phenomenal job of doing what it's meant to do - start a fight/single out one person, on top of that, if allowed her damage output in fights can get pretty obscene for a bruiser/tank.[/spoiler] TL;DR- [[Vi]] is a great solo q jungler, with clear strengths and weaknesses, sometimes she turns into just a 1 trick pony, but the trick she does almost never gets old.[/quote] True she is great solo q, she kinda fell off but she still has the potential to be close to top 5 junglers in the game in my opinion next to gragas, rek sai, Sej, elise if put into the right hands. (but gragas is the best I cant lie)[/quote]

[quote=Ekki][quote=cronokidd313]True she is great solo q, she kinda fell off but she still has the potential to be close to top 5 junglers in the game in my opinion next to gragas, rek sai, Sej, elise if put into the right hands. (but gragas is the best I cant lie)[/quote]That's the problem. She's not part of the top 5. Hence she wasn't picked in worlds. She has very clear weaknesses and there are a bunch of great all-around junglers out there that outclass her. You can say it works for you, but then again there's people who make [[poppy]] work. Your anecdotal evidence won't help if you want to explain why it "fell off meta". That said, I don't think she's off meta right now. She's a strong jungler and probably close to top-tier in soloqueue. She's just not "the best" as you just said. Reasons pretty well explained by high-tier people in here. For some hard numbers, she got a ~51% win rate and is on the top half of popularity, as you can verify [url=http://www.lolking.net/champions]here[/url].[/quote]