Maintained wrote:
Dammit I'm late aren't I..
She's a juggernaut bruh, if you still think otherwise I challenge you to a duel in the shadow realm. No but seriously, she's a juggernaut.
I'm not afraid of the shadow realm, I spent my entire Erasmus in dark rooms ffs.
She has too much disruption and bonus resistances for a Juggernaut as well. Most Juggernauts only have self-healing as an inner endurance too (Darius Q, Nasus Lifesteal passive + Q, Illaoi tentacle bashing, mordekaiser W. Garen is actually the exception with W passive - and you could argue he has some mobility - but his best CC is a silence that got nerfed so he could deal more damage, while poppy has cc on each of her abilities: slow, anti dash, knock with stun against wall and knock up).
(I didn't spend my entire Erasmus inside dark rooms. Never been to one. Ew.)
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OTGBionicArm wrote:
Falseo explained exactly why she isnt a juggernaut. She's a bruiser maybe. More akin to J4, high enough damage but a lot of CC, utility and good mobility. A juggernaut has next to 0 mobility, lower CC and absurd damage if you get in their zone. Like Darius. I don't see how you could even argue against that. Rito actually defined those roles pretty well.
Now that I think of it, Falseo's right.
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Well, seeing that Riot defined what a juggernaut is for their game, and seeing that they designed Poppy, and seeing that they did call her a Juggernaut, I'd like to believe Riot is a more trusted source in this matter. They literally called Poppy a juggernaut. A little research won't hurt.
You forget that they have multiple people writing these blogs, and whoever wrote it probably made an oversight in their terminology (or could have been from an entirely different department). In that regard, Riot is actually the worst source to trust, lol.
OTGBionicArm wrote:
Rito actually defined those roles pretty well.
OTGBionicArm wrote:
Riot is actually the worst source to trust, lol.
You need to pick one.
As for another point, what makes
Poppy any less of a juggernaut than Skarner? They both have decent mobility, actually, I felt like Skarner's mobility is better sometimes, a shield, a slow, a stun, no healing, and heavy cc. Skarner's ult is also an anti-dash if you can time it right.My job here is done.
Uhh you guys are giving her dash way too much credit. It is not some sort of escape mechanism. The point is to heavily CC, something a juggernaut does.
There are very few situations where you would ACTUALLY use her E to escape.
She is a juggernaut in every sense of the word as Riot describes them.
"When you think brute force, these champions should come to mind: powerful, durable, immobile and melee."
There are very few situations where you would ACTUALLY use her E to escape.
She is a juggernaut in every sense of the word as Riot describes them.
"When you think brute force, these champions should come to mind: powerful, durable, immobile and melee."
MrCuddowls wrote:
The point is to heavily CC, something a juggernaut does.
1) I guess it's up to Riot to name what they think a champ is, although I don't see Poppy as a Juggernaut when compared to Darius, Garen or Nasus. However, since they did decide (and I forgot) that
Skarner is a juggernaut, ok yeah sure. But that choice completely blurs the lines for me.2) (refering to the quote above)
Darius has a small range hook and a single target slow, how is that heavy cc? Morde has no cc at all, Garen has a single target silence, Nasus has a single target slow, Illaoi has a potential slow on E. Neither of these provide heavy CC at all.3) To me, personally, juggernauts where differenced from tanks due to lower disruption traded for higher zone damage and fighting ability. They're the middle point for fighters - who are mainly about constant DPS in their area and not much sustain if heavily cc'd/focused - and tanks - who have resistance steroids, damage reduction and/or shields, high disruption, great engage and endurance. However, this interpretation was clearly wrong since
Poppy - whose zone damage, IMO is nowhere near that of the ones I mentioned - was called a Juggernaut by Riot.tl;dr: Concept attribution/definition is clearly not Riot's forte.
FalseoGod wrote:
But that choice completely blurs the lines for me.
Poppy and Skarner are on the blurry line between juggernauts and tanks. Whether they are one or the other depends on where you draw the line.
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Dammit I'm late aren't I..
She's a juggernaut bruh, if you still think otherwise I challenge you to a duel in the shadow realm. No but seriously, she's a juggernaut.
Falseo explained exactly why she isnt a juggernaut. She's a bruiser maybe. More akin to J4, high enough damage but a lot of CC, utility and good mobility. A juggernaut has next to 0 mobility, lower CC and absurd damage if you get in their zone. Like Darius. I don't see how you could even argue against that. Rito actually defined those roles pretty well.