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Doing some musing about how I want to approach the game going forward. I've been two tricking Tryndamere in Top lane and Jhin in the Bot lane. Just normals.
Probably not the best approach. But when I get tired of one lane I can go to a different lane.
In the last 20 games, I'm 4-4 on Tryndamere and 6-1 on Jhin.
Why these champions. Well I think Jhin is thematically one of the best champions Riot has ever produced and Tryndamere was simply because I watch a lot of FoggedFTW and he has builds and match-up guides to help get you going.
But it got me thinking about how match-ups work. When i read, you can start trading with X champion at three items. Wait, what? Yeah you read correctly. Three items. I'm like WTF would you play that match-up if you can avoid it?
Renekton is an example for Tryndamere.
You simply can't do anything in some match-ups until exceeding a certain threshold, which means no lane priority and reliance on your jungler or another lane to accelerate to that threshold. Not, IMO a winning combination for soloqueue.
Now granted I'm not a Challenger Tryndamere main. FoggedFTW eeks out leads against match-ups and game situations that I don't even see, which of course begs the question of is it worth one tricking to the point that you start to see those moments? Does it teach you things about the game that you wouldn't see otherwise and are those things transfereable?
Well, losing against my lane opponent, but they backed and I've shoved the wave. Take enemy jungle camps, ward enemy jungle, flank on Mid? What is the right play?
So far the super irritating match-ups for Tyrndamere I've found are, in no particular order
Singed, Camille, Renekton, Teemo, Senna, Darius, Malphite.
That is a lot of suck and it isn't the only suck you are going to run into. Fortunately most normal players will blindly shove you in over and over so even in the painful match-ups you can still farm given the massive amount of sustain you have with Q and the right runes. But better players are going to freeze on you which means your options are pretty limited for having an impact on the game.
I mean it is good to know don't flipping trade into Darius unless he wastes his grab or you'll die if he is running Ignite for instances when you are counter picked. But really why not find a champion that does a little better into the match-ups that Tryndamere struggles in and at least two trick?
Jhin doesn't have too many ADC match-ups that he has problems with at the moment. I guess we'll see about Aphelios. So really for him it is about the rest of the match-ups, such as that ridiculously fed Wukong who is of a mind to try and delete you every team fight.
That said he really does struggle into tanks. Even one fed Dr. Mundo can make it feel like you do zero damage.
So Jhin would be a case for. All squishies? Jhin. One tank. Eh, Vayne? Tristana? Jinx?
Obviously Bot lane adds a couple of layers of complication. You are squishy and item dependent. And there are more nuances to lane match-ups since you have supports to consider.
Really the goal is to win more games. How do you do that? Know your match-ups inside and out so you can win against opponents that don't know the match-up as well? Or avoid match-ups where your champion has little ability to impact them in a way that accelerates the game in your favor?
A dirty Darius main! ;-)
I feel like that champion is just busted the at moment, having got run down by one or two, though admittedly one had a Lulu really enhancing his catch potential and durability.
I get where you are coming from on the can win or do okay in losing matchups.
I don't hate the Tryndamere into Teemo or Jax match-ups any more.
You lose early to Teemo and might not ever kill him but you can sustain up in lane and match him in a sidelane and out rotate him with a 40-45% CDR spin.
Jax you lose to late, but you can get a lead against him if you play your cards right.
Currently though I just flat ban Darius even though there is other horrible ***** like Poppy or Neeko and maybe Quinn, though once you get enough CDR Quinn is killable.
Mordekaiser is borderline. If you don't get a lead you life is going to be unpleasant and probably your teams lives to, but you can kill him forever more if you do get a lead.
I think there is something to be said for losing gracefully even on a carry champion like Tryndamere, but sometimes that isn't enough to win a game, so I also see one tricking as limiting.
I myself onetrick Darius. With him being able to beat anyone in lane, maining him got me to the point where I could even beat my counterpicks often. This got me to a higher rank very quickly but it took me a lot of time afterwards to relearn the game to the point where I could climb at higher elos.
-You don't really win any kind of trade vs Darius
-You don't have kill pressure on him
-He denies your ability to come online in a timely manner
-You can't match him in a side lane because he can force your ult
The only way for Darius to mess this up is if he misses his grab on you while you have spin (E) up and even then if he builds Ninja Tabi you probably won't kill him.
He literally can win the lane by not using his grab because as long as he has it you can't trade with him and win hard enough to all in him, while he can all in you.
That doesn't mean the game is an auto loss, it just means that you need your team to do well enough on the rest of the map to either win the game on their own or well enough that you eventually get enough space to farm up and become relevant or if Darius is overconfident and dies to a couple of ganks allowing you to get enough of an item advantage to accelerate to the point where you do win trades. And that is a bad recipe for winning soloqueue.
I think to some extent you can extrapolate that to "for melee champions that have to get close to the wave, you really need to know the match-up because you are highly likely to interact with your lane opponent whether they are ranged or melee."
And this is why I like Tryndamere. >:-) But the lane match-up not so much. Really a bit confused about Teemo's damage. Some of them seem to not do much damage and others. Ouch. Maybe it was the Grasp of the Undying procs? Though it wasn't until after he had a little more AP that I really noticed the difference when I tried to all-in him once and got knocked down to half health.
My team though. Can kill Teemo with ganks, Evelynn. No ganks. Okay. How about you all take Baron since I have Ashe and Kog'Maw and Teemo up here trying to stop me from splitting and you all just killed Lee Sin. Oh okay, everyone needs to back. Guess I'll set in this bush and wait for you to shop and then kill Baron.
On the plus side Ahri walked into me, which she instantly regretted.
Still it felt odd to have to walk my team through how to win the game, but I guess that is one way to win.