Swain or Vayne? Which brings more QQ ?

[quote=Lugignaf]He usually takes mid because he can out sustain most other mids. Plus, his insane damage over long periods of time makes him an ideal "poke, poke, poke, KILL!!!" champion and. after level 6 and a catalyst, he kinda shrugs off any minimal harass.[/quote]

[quote=ZeroRacer]Hmm, that's true, have the nerfs made him change his style up a bit? At dreamhack at his prime he was a very popular sustain top in CLG when he was being used by elementz[/quote]

[quote=xXSkylarkerXx]Yea, he's an extremely good poke champion - he just spams both DoTs and the AoE if he feels like it. His extremely short attack animation helps with last hitting i reckon. Gets him mana for killing minions as well. While he was nerfed - his ult did get a champion priority which helps heaps. Once with a tear or catalyst his sustain with the crows is retarded[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK](not reading through thread) you can't compare them at ALL...one is a mage tank and one is a ranged DPS... in terms of damage? vayne in terms of sustain? swain swain doesn't die, vayne instakills kids. you choose.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=ZeroRacer] Dropping in for a quick question here. I'm wondering why the swains I do see usually play him mid so often. He has an incredibly nice set of nice top lane matchups due to the melee heaviness of the lane. With his slow birds and nevermove he has more than enough kiting instruments in his arsenal, and even if they can close the gap he can simply press R. I despise laning aganist good oris or brands, they just outharass me. [/quote] ^ Swain really should be solo imo. Also you shouldn't build Swain straight AP if you want your enemies to really hate you. That plays too much into your ult which allows ignite to more effectively counter you. I play Swain (This may come as a shocker to you) as a sturdy offtank, with RoA, Banshee's, Frozen Heart, Rylai's, GA, things like that. Works pretty well.[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=TheJohn] Swain was dead long time ago, before Vayne. If you want an example, its like Yorick and Karma. I've never seen any other Karma or Yorick excluding me. PS: I'll have to buy Swain. [/quote] Yorick is just underplayed. He's plenty good. Nobody plays Karma though because she has the "support" tag while she's meant to be played as an AP carry. [/quote] Thats true, its just impressive how people has no idea of what Yorick does and I just kill them. I think RIOT tryed to make a support who could fight with her allies, but that didnt work as you can see. I get AA and then build some tanky items, like Frozen Heart. Have to make good use of AA's passive.[/quote]

[quote=KingCasanova]I dont see why people say ignite hurts him so much when he has massive hp[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed][quote=KingCasanova] I dont see why people say ignite hurts him so much when he has massive hp [/quote] Because, it hurts his ability to sit there and soak up damage like sponge. It cutsdown his ult's healing ability.[/quote]

[quote=KingCasanova]Another questions, which makes you QQ more, dying instantly or never being able to kill someone ?[/quote]