AP udyr: noob stomper?

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]Ive won games without building any AS other than Zerks. Carried even.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Without any as-item, [[udyr]] is useless, because he relies on the third proc of [[phoenix]].[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Honestly, I build like, no AS items when I play Udyr. I focus on the utility of Tiger/Bear more.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Yeah, [[Tiger stance]] [[udyr]]. But not [[phoenix stance]] [[udyr]].[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]Lugig we are talking about AP udyr, and tbh Tiger is useless outside of AS boost. it gives 35% boost for 5 seconds i believe when maxed at lv 5. It could be a possibility for AP udyr, but then you have to sacrifice either turtle or bear, and AP udyr abuses both. And actually, AP Udyr has plenty of damage without stacking AS. Thats also where the rylai's / gunblade comes in. The slow allows you to get that third hit off. But the ap ratio on the third hit is shit at only 35%, so really you are counting on your AoE to do most of the damage. Don't confuse this with the fact that the proc still does a lot of damage.[/quote]