Official QQ Thread

[quote=Symphunny]noobass jungling cho'gath lost us the game. still stuck in 1500s fken.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Idonteven know how a Cho can fail at jungle. Cho so gud junglie[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] Yes I should have released the guide when the champion would no longer be talked about. [/quote] Well, my impression is that you want to make the new guide for Graves and lay the way for those items to be used, and be the innovator; Jhoi seems to prefer to wait for the common consensus, and make a guide displaying the "optimal" set of items and using the more "Popular" skilling orders and masteries that the community as a whole agree on. I sympathize with you since I too prefer ingenuity and breaking away from the "Cookie-cutter" builds that you see everyone using in every game. I don't like the complacency of the player base and inability to try new things and think for themselves, so I always appreciate the players trying to make new things :)[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=DuffTime] Well, my impression is that you want to make the new guide for Graves and lay the way for those items to be used, and be the innovator; Jhoi seems to prefer to wait for the common consensus, and make a guide displaying the "optimal" set of items and using the more "Popular" skilling orders and masteries that the community as a whole agree on. I sympathize with you since I too prefer ingenuity and breaking away from the "Cookie-cutter" builds that you see everyone using in every game. I don't like the complacency of the player base and inability to try new things and think for themselves, so I always appreciate the players trying to make new things :) [/quote] I appreciate people who try new things, but for me that's something different than someone writing a guide about a champion they don't fully understand yet. Basically, if someone is fed up with the "Cookie-cutter" builds (as you call them) that everyone uses, that's fine. If that same person has a [i]genuinely good[/i] alternative to offer, that's great and I think everyone should always try to be open to new things and should be able to think 'out of the box'. If someone, however, just wants to be the first to write a guide about a new champion, this generally means they have little to no experience playing the champ and therefore they often get the build or even simple things such as the optimal skill sequence wrong. They also can't really answer any detailed questions about the champion because they probably don't know the actual answer yet. There's a small difference imo, that's all ;)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]The issue is that the League community (And the Moba community in particular) have made up their minds and built up huge walls about certain champions and refuse to believe that there are realistic alternatives. For example- Solo top lane Olaf. I could tell you it's strong, and I could tell any other number of players that it's strong, but until those players see it, they won't believe me. But it is strong, it's actually somewhat disgustingly strong. I could write a guide here and talk about solo top Olaf, and it would get downvoted simply for the fact that I'm suggesting to solo top with Olaf- You see the problem here? While I do agree that a bad guide that doesn't deserve upvotes using a bad guide should be downvoted, there are good guides with strong builds, and they get DV'd for being something different or out of the box. That's what I'm referring to anyway.[/quote]

[quote=BunkerBob]Being told blitzcrank and Shaco are not a good team when you can yank people into a box o' bushes and walk away.[/quote]

[quote=kin333x]being told that soraka is bad[/quote]

[quote=th3BlackAngel][quote=DuffTime] The issue is that the League community (And the Moba community in particular) have made up their minds and built up huge walls about certain champions and refuse to believe that there are realistic alternatives. For example- Solo top lane Olaf. I could tell you it's strong, and I could tell any other number of players that it's strong, but until those players see it, they won't believe me. But it is strong, it's actually somewhat disgustingly strong. I could write a guide here and talk about solo top Olaf, and it would get downvoted simply for the fact that I'm suggesting to solo top with Olaf- You see the problem here? While I do agree that a bad guide that doesn't deserve upvotes using a bad guide should be downvoted, there are good guides with strong builds, and they get DV'd for being something different or out of the box. That's what I'm referring to anyway. [/quote] This in essence is a problem inherent on everything. Some people are afraid to try new things or deviate from the "norm". I've seen Duff play solo top Olaf and its beyond sick. Wrath has seen me play Nidalee and always asks me to be her in games. Yet my Nidalee guide is downvoted by some people who don't think for themselves and just want to follow the herd. /rant My point is that an innovative guide should be welcomed instead of shunned, since it offers a different way of playing a champion.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Yet you won't go upvote Jungle Nasus... I see how it is...[/quote]

[quote=th3BlackAngel]I've told you why I believe jungle Nasus is not viable. Its a bit different to have a different skilling order than a complete different gamestyle (which is what jungle Nasus poses). However I will try it one of these days and get back to you on it.[/quote]