What are the best runes for Vayne

[quote=DuffTime]Jun you've proven to me that you have no idea what you're talking about time and time again. I'm not concerned with what some Riot employee said. SB does MORE damage in lane and she kicks ASS right from level 3 NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK JUN LOL.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot][quote=DuffTime] Jun you've proven to me that you have no idea what you're talking about time and time again. I'm not concerned with what some Riot employee said. SB does MORE damage in lane and she kicks ASS right from level 3 NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK JUN LOL. [/quote] Even though I am not sure that SB is the most damaging skill in itself it IS the only one that is not dependant on cd and as such can be used indefinitely. At lvl 3 u can, technically have one skillpoint in each. Say that an ordinary enemy has 600 health at 3. This means that tumble has a damage of base damage 60 (+ 10 from dorans) add to that tumble 40% of 10. So 74 every 6-12 seconds (manacost) SB has a damage of 70 plus 20+24 true damage. Every 3rd attack. Condemn has damage of 49 (plus 64 if you hit terrain which you should) every 20th second. When you level each you get increased damage and lower cd for q and e, but enough? Lvl 2 tumble means only an additional 0.5 damage and a very useful 1 sec lower cd. SB lvl 2 means an additional 10 + 1% true damage, so about 16 with no resistance... Condemn is an additional 35 (+ 40)... And 2 seconds less cd. So before I start getting heavy hitting items, I see only need for condemn above lvl 1...[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DuffTime] I'm not concerned with what some Riot employee said. SB does MORE damage in lane and she kicks ASS right from level 3 NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK JUN LOL.[/quote] [quote]Jun you've proven to me that you have no idea what you're talking about time and time again.[/quote] Right. Says a person who is part of a VERY small minority of the total on this topic. If anyone doesn't know what they're talking about [u]chances are[/u] that it's you. Keep in mind that I'm not stating a single opinion of my own here, I'm stating facts.[/quote]

[quote=Pozsich]SB is not that awesome Duff. How can you argue it's the best when everyone else says it isn't? It doesn't even look that appealing to attack anyone but tanks if you max it first since you won't be able to burst carries as well as if you maxed tumble or condemn first.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Okay, then the entire MobaFire community can continue on in ignorance. I also recently discovered, as a friend of mine informed me, that he was shocked to discover that in all the recent tournament matches that Vayne was used, SB was maxed first! SHOCKER!? AND, I digress, tumble was maxed second. This was done by the Chinese team, the match where they crushed their 2v2 so hard it made HSGG want to lane vrs them, and then they crushed him too using the same skilling order. And also in the more recent tournament matches, an entirely different team used the exact same skilling order. That team used Vayne to great effect as well. So hey, I guess I AM in the very small minority~ I'm in agreement with the best players in the world. You can have fun with your facts Searz, you've been wrong every time you really decide to dig in and argue with me so far, might as well continue to be wrong and not break the trend. Eventually you guys are gonna realize I don't just dig in and argue for no reason. I'm the first to admit when I really don't know something. But when personal experience comes into play, and I know for a fact that I am correct, I'm not gonna back down just cause a bunch of Moba vets try to gang bang me with their wrong opinions and silly facts. You want facts? Silver Bolts is the best skill to max first on Vayne. THAT, is a fact.[/quote]

[quote=C4k3CooKieZ]And I couldn't agree more with Duff[/quote]

[quote=Pozsich]-Shrug- I'll do the math when I feel a little less lazy. I for one find Vayne not that great in general, rarely do I see one truly do well, and if I play her I normally do poorly. I was under the impression priority was E-Q-W though I did put E last myself, Condemn is only useful in some situations, and requires too much attention on positioning rather than harrass/farm.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]That's why you don't think she's awesome, you're making the mistake of not leveling W first. :)[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288]Two Guides on Solo Mid by 2 Pro players: Both Max out [[Condemn]] first. Not picking sides, just going off what I see in other guides.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Those aren't updated guides. That's the old, and the bad way to do it, and that's the reason people are not impressed by Vayne yet. When people start maxing Silver Bolts she'll once again be regarded as one of the better carries, even in lane phase.[/quote]