How to counter Ryze

[quote=example1013][quote=Luther3000] [quote=example1013] This is an unfair equivalence. Ziggs has significantly higher range than Ryze, and can harass with spells from outside of Ryze's range. Ziggs also punishes chasing really easily. I'm not saying Ziggs wins lane against Ryze (because he doesn't), but it would be foolish to say that Ryze has an advantage in fighting. Ziggs also can take advantage of Doran's Ring stacking (which is useless to Ryze) to make up for any DPS difference with extra HP. It would be foolish to try and 100-0 Ziggs early game on Ryze. Even if you can outDPS Ziggs in a 100-0 fight, if you don't kill him, he fares better when retreating, and if you fuck up, you won't get away. [/quote] Change the word Ziggs to Cass and almost all of this still applies, except that Cass [i]can[/i] out-DPS him. [/quote] So when did I say otherwise?[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I just thought it was worth pointing out and explains pretty well why Cass beats him. I never said that you disagreed. :P[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Yougan] Pretty sure Kennen can counter both her and Ryze. [/quote] Actually I think Ryze has the potential to dunk Kennen. I would agree with the others that Cass should have advantage in lane phase. I think a decked out Yorick with an MR page could ruin Ryze's fun :P[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]I play galio with a full mr rune page, mullify cloak, and masteries. I generally get his resolute smite first, but sometime Bulwark. I then have 124~ MR at level 1 and proceed to beat ryze[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]^ Pretty much counters any AP. :P[/quote]

[quote=ExamplePrime]LeBlanc beats the crap out of Ryze So does a decent Viktor[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond]Riven, Caitlyn and Cass dunk Ryze pretty hard.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Yougan] Nothing can kill Kennen. [/quote] Lawl.[/quote]

[quote=sh0cki][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Yougan] Nothing can kill Kennen. [/quote] Lawl. [/quote] If the only goal of AP mid would be not to die than maybe :D[/quote]

[quote=Opaque_Shadow][[ziggs]] is an excellent [[ryze]] counter. The amount of splash damage he can do let him get way ahead of [[ryze]] in minon kills, plus he can out harass with the range of [[bouncing bomb]][/quote]