How to counter Ryze

[quote=sh0cki][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Yougan] Nothing can kill Kennen. [/quote] Lawl. [/quote] If the only goal of AP mid would be not to die than maybe :D[/quote]

[quote=Opaque_Shadow][[ziggs]] is an excellent [[ryze]] counter. The amount of splash damage he can do let him get way ahead of [[ryze]] in minon kills, plus he can out harass with the range of [[bouncing bomb]][/quote]

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[quote=example1013][quote=Opaque_Shadow] [[ziggs]] is an excellent [[ryze]] counter. The amount of splash damage he can do let him get way ahead of [[ryze]] in minon kills, plus he can out harass with the range of [[bouncing bomb]] [/quote] Nope. Too mana hungry/skillshot-based to whittle Ryze down and zone him early, not enough dps to kill him mid/late.[/quote]

[quote=Vavena][quote=Luther3000] I'm pretty sure that Cassiopeia is considered the ultimate counter to Ryze. [/quote][/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Yougan] [quote=DuffTime] [quote=Yougan] Pretty sure Kennen can counter both her and Ryze. [/quote] Actually I think Ryze has the potential to dunk Kennen. I would agree with the others that Cass should have advantage in lane phase. I think a decked out Yorick with an MR page could ruin Ryze's fun :P [/quote] Nothing can kill Kennen. [/quote] Udyr would like a word with you. [quote=example1013] [quote=Pølsemanden] 75 from ziggs "q" 50'ish from his "e" 20 from his passive. =145 60'ish from ryze q 75'ish from ryze w 60'ish from ryze q. =195 75 from cass q 200 from cass e =275 (this is without accounting runes/masteries/items, but i can assure u ryze would gain more damage than ziggs would if u counted runes/masteries/items in it) [/quote] This is an unfair equivalence. Ziggs has significantly higher range than Ryze, and can harass with spells from outside of Ryze's range. Ziggs also punishes chasing really easily. I'm not saying Ziggs wins lane against Ryze (because he doesn't), but it would be foolish to say that Ryze has an advantage in fighting. Ziggs also can take advantage of Doran's Ring stacking (which is useless to Ryze) to make up for any DPS difference with extra HP. It would be foolish to try and 100-0 Ziggs early game on Ryze. Even if you can outDPS Ziggs in a 100-0 fight, if you don't kill him, he fares better when retreating, and if you fuck up, you won't get away. [/quote] Ryze can also completely avoid 100% of zigg's ability damage. The only reliable damage that Ziggs deals is the damage from his passive.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=sh0cki] If the only goal of AP mid would be not to die than maybe :D [/quote] ? I don't understand. I said Lawl to nothing can kill Kennen and you quoted my and respond with this. @__@[/quote]

[quote=ProAsylum]JUST PICK CASSIOPEIA? :O :DDDDD[/quote]

[quote=Babit]My favorite counter to ryze? A slience. Ryze relies on being able to unload his combo on you while your binded. Silence him when he comes after you and counter attack gg. He may land the bind, but he wont be able to q you 3 times.[/quote]

[quote=sh0cki][quote=DuffTime] [quote=sh0cki] If the only goal of AP mid would be not to die than maybe :D [/quote] ? I don't understand. I said Lawl to nothing can kill Kennen and you quoted my and respond with this. @__@ [/quote] Yes, not used to this forum as when you hit quote button you see it quote both of you but in post it show just the last one. And I was not reading it when posted already.[/quote]