Heimer-> No Respect...

[quote=Crows foot][quote=BusDriver210] Most of the 'strengths' you guys are talking about are best case scenario. Pushing your lane isn't smart, especially when your as slow as Heimer is. Mid is a nice place for him, but when it comes down to it higher end players don't worry about heimer because he isn't that hard to understand. You can poke people out of lane if they are stupid, but standing next to minions fixes that. Sure you can push to compensate, but what happens when someone ganks you? If your building to carry your to easy to kill and if your building survival your to easy to ignore. That is my 2cents on Heimer. Now if he could Alt control his turrets.... man I would love that. [/quote] He doesn't need to be overextended to push. Just walk up, set up turrs, then back and w/e[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=Crows foot] He doesn't need to be overextended to push. Just walk up, set up turrs, then back and w/e [/quote] This. Plus a good heimer can be really annoying versus champs who aren't great at farming, such as Swain. The only issue is that Swain is more useful lategame then Heimer, so you gotta be careful not to feed him and finish things fast enough[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=Crows foot]He doesn't need to be overextended to push. Just walk up, set up turrs, then back and w/e[/quote] And then someone kills the turret while hes back. Surprise![/quote]

[quote=animorte]He is apparently better than some give him credit for. I like having a good one on my team. I just can't stand playing him because the way he sounds.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot][quote=BusDriver210] [quote=Crows foot]He doesn't need to be overextended to push. Just walk up, set up turrs, then back and w/e[/quote] And then someone kills the turret while hes back. Surprise! [/quote] Sure they might, but he can stand just behind turret and throw stun and rockets then. He still have only half lane out.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=Crows foot]Sure they might, but he can stand just behind turret and throw stun and rockets then. He still have only half lane out.[/quote] Just like any other AP carry at the moment? It isn't hard to stay safe in mid. Its the shortest lane and half the time you'll be wasting your rockets on minions if your not careful. I don't want to put Heimer players down, hes fun and effective in certain situations. Its just the way you speak, in all perfect scenarios, I cannot agree with. He isn't as strong as your giving him credit for. If he was we would see him more often in pro play.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]Never really called him strong, just saying that he isn't as vulnerable when pushing as people suggest.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]^^ Yes he is[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=Crows foot] Never really called him strong, just saying that he isn't as vulnerable when pushing as people suggest. [/quote] Maybe at my elo around 1400, but I imagine anywhere after 1650 hes just free kills.[/quote]

[quote=xLockDownx]He is indeed an underestimated champion simply because people look at him and think "wow how weak/wow how bad". He is difficult to use and may appear to be weak but the truth is he is just hard to master which is why most LoL players brand champions as crap because they simply cant use them. He is a strong champion and definitely underestimated.[/quote]