rly nice

hey "CyberSpade" well you cant simply say its an awful build unless you've tried it. and i dont mind if i get a vote down because no one can control how you think. plus i would like from you to give me why this is an awful build and state the reasons. and why dont you update your build and lets see how you proceed with it because what i saw in your expired build is simply took you like 20 mins of your time.

hope you and "angerion" reply not just to vote down without even doing so calculated researches.

This is awesome :D thnx!

This is an awful build.

hey "Angerion" It was more painful to see that you didnt see and read my guide pretty well.

before i say anything i am not making you use my build, its just how i play him i am trying to show you why i use this build. (i dont always follow my build, i use different items depending in how the game is going. this thing everyone should put in mind.

i think you havent read the Black Cleaver Vs. Last Whisper when you fully read it then you can understand. sometimes its good to use Black Cleaver and sometimes its good to use Last Whisper depending on game.

well as i was reading your comment and thinking, what is the possibility of a team (without the tank) to have armor above 150 "tanks will always have above 150", plus what you all graves forget is that graves Quickdraw is getting nerfed so his AS(attack speed) is getting lowered so basically you need AS more than before.

League of Legends is a multiplayer battle arena game, which is 3vs3 or 5vs5 Which simply means that you need to think about the team more than your self, Teamwork can beat any solo. so simply if your opponent must have at least 143.5 armor before last whisper becomes a viable option over black cleaver. but then again black cleaver is a debuff and benefits everyone as well and that cant be ignored, dont forget this is a team game, and thus you fight in a team.

other than that i dont actually know what to say, but if you read i dont always follow my guide because in some games you will need to change some items for the benefit of the team, not the benefit of your self. dont forget graves Quickdraw and AS is getting nerfed. so i think your calculations should be re-evaluated on that point. plus if you want to talk about calculations.

Last Whisper will provide you 40%armor pen(your self only) while Black Cleaver will provide an armor reduction debuff of 3 stacks (15 each stack) and dont forget you get 30% more AS so you can hit a faster by (0.3 almost) so by 9 auto attacks you will have more damage than a guy thats having Last Whisper and when your team is focusing one target you will hit him making his armor going down by 45 which will make all your teams damage higher. which will provide more benefit if you want to calculate that.

that why i choose Black Cleaver in my item build but that doesnt mean i use it always because as i said and if you read my guide well i said the last three items can be bought as you like and by the other you like and if you want you may change them so you can benefit your team by something. As i will always say this is a TeamPlay game not solo. try calcualtion your teams damage with a graves that has Black Cleaver and gaves that has Last Whisper you will find graves with Black Cleaver his team will have more damage. while graves with lastwhisper team will have the same damage only graves will have a benefit. is that benefit greater than the benefit of the whole 4 other players if graves had Black Cleaver ???

"I really think you should re-evaluate and do some research first on game mechanics" always remeber its a teamgame not a solo. It was more painful to see that you didnt see and read my guide pretty well.

people can always vote up and down its a free choice.

thank you.

if anyone has any questions or anything else i will be glad to answer anyone ^^ always have fun playing "League of legends"

It was painful to read.
Concerning the Last Whisper vs. Black Cleaver discussion, you pointed out that BC has more AD than Last Whisper which would in turn increase your damage with abilities right? Well Last Whisper would make your abilities hit for even more even with lower values of opponent's armor.
First of all you have to hit the target THREE times with BC until you gain the full benefit of it, second, Buckshot will benefit more from Last Whisper if you are hitting more than one champion with it ( And that's assuming you have hit one of them THREE times with your regular attack, which frankly is not the case in teamfights).
I really think you should re-evaluate and do some research first on game mechanics, until then it's a thumb down from me.

thanks guys for the vote :)

well "Splaze001" in the build item guide, the last three items can be bought in the order as you like, depending on the match and what your team needs ^^ your right if you wanna build insane damage :)

thanks all for voting <3

Nice formatting! I'm digging the pictures :D

good

Love it! This build is so much better :) But I would rather get the Bloodthirster BEFORE Frozen Mallet :) Just something I like to do.
Great build though :)

This Guide will Truly Give alot Starts on Graves.=)





Nice Yazan,

Yazzan Osta GOOD JOB i <3 IT