Cleaver or Whisper?

[quote=Luther3000]are you serious tem lol[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]what the fuck LOL[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]oh, my fault. 16 ranked games played with a negative K/D. teleport ignite veigar exh/ignite AD sion without a single correct item not to bash but, when you scout, do you actually know what to look for? o.0[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Luther3000] are you serious tem lol [/quote] Well, if you're asking about what does more damage, then yes. If you're asking what looks cooler in your inventory, totally LW man, it's a blue bow, how is that not super cool?[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Do you even like...know how Graves works? Or play AD at all? (LW does look pretty badass though)[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Luther3000] Do you even like...know how Graves works? [/quote] Do you like, even know how ArP or Attack speed work? I'm comparing damage against a tank, which is the only target you should be attacking as an AD carry. If you're attack a 3000 hp target, your dps and time to kill with LW is worse than TBC between 0-140 armor, above 140 it's better. If you're attacking a 4000 hp target, that number climbs to 160. As Vayne, against a 3000 hp target, the range where TBC is better than LW is 1-140 armor, and 160-210 armor. At 4000 hp, the range is 1-160, and then 210-270. TBC's effectiveness is very dependant upon the enemy's health, the champion's kit, and the enemy's armor value. You can't just say "Oh LW > TBC @ 114.263784 armor" because it's flat out not true.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Temzilla] [quote=RosePhoenix] [quote=BusDriver210] Not this thread again..... [/quote] its as simple as this everyone gets armor if you get tbc they stack armor you're fucked. more importantly most champions have big items that come from armor tl;dr last whisper > tbc [/quote] TBC is better on Graves, the slowest attack speed ADC until around 150-160 armor depending a lot on Health. TBC is better on Vayne at 3500 hp until 270 armor. The "LW>TBC" comment is VERY VERY wrong, and very ignorant of the value and proper usage of TBC. [/quote] you're the only person in the world who thinks Black Cleaver is better than LW on graves..... [embed=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCoOcBv01aA][/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]Sure. BC seems good on paper. 22 mins roles around, you pick up BC. game goes to 35 minutes, and they all have a billion armor. whoops! BC useless now. If you buy BC, you can't buy last whisper. every time you AA someone, your LW becomes worse. Just do what everyone else does and skip BC on adcs. No bullshit though, I go black cleaver on AD ahri.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Personally the only situation I consider BC is when I'm playing Corki, I'm ahead, I already have TF and IE and the other team has little in the way of armour stackers. BC reduction stacks with [[gatling gun]] so it can really screw with low-mid armour targets.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Mooninites] [quote=Temzilla]TBC is better on Graves, the slowest attack speed ADC until around 150-160 armor depending a lot on Health. TBC is better on Vayne at 3500 hp until 270 armor. The "LW>TBC" comment is VERY VERY wrong, and very ignorant of the value and proper usage of TBC. [/quote] you're the only person in the world who thinks Black Cleaver is better than LW on graves..... [/quote] Never said that. I said it's better until 140 armor.[/quote]