these guides aren't good for beginners, nor are they good at all.

ah i see. still i didnt make it for myself, i already know what works and doesnt lol. and yes i said many times armor seals are the best seals outside of mana regen, but that doesnt make others not viable if a player does not want them

I think your AD seals only work for champions who can dish out damage without taking it in return. Aka Ezreal and Cait. NOT Graves. NOT Corki. NOT any bruiser at all. As I have shown, in back-and-forth trades, armor seals are the superior choice.

And the thing about using the vVv label is this - some people might object to your using their name on your guide in a seeming attempt to draw reader attention (and votes). For example the Azubu guides, Cpt Jack's Graves guide was great, Rapidstar's Ryze guide was too, but his Lux guide was subpar but even so, got a large number of upvotes because of him being Rapidstar.

Plus now i am getting mixed signals people have been telling me promote my stuff as vVv and now its like ur not part of vVv why would i promote something im not a part of?

it was for vVv people so i named it for them.

vVv is on this forum, and while you may be applying for them, you aren't them yet. Don't try and falsely advertise :P

I know for a fact cait does more damage than anyone with a 22 damage book

it is a singed build. you would not run magic pen on lee sin.

Well, you're wrong about Graves, of course. That's painfully obvious. Of all the champions you mentioned, I think you're wrong about every single one of them except Talon, who will find armor seals much less useful (assuming he goes mid), and possibly Caitlyn (same reasoning as Ezreal).

Also, I did a number crunch, using a mirror match of Graves vs Graves, not to rub it in about Graves, but because I don't think your idea holds water overall. For this number crunch I'm using two level 1 Graves, one with flat armor seals and one with flat AD seals. I'll call them Armor Graves and AD Graves respectively. My aim is to find out whether the 3.87 extra AD is worth it over the 12.69 extra armor.

Long story short, it is not.

Stats overview


Scenario 1: Trading basic attacks

tl;dr - Armor Graves does more damage.

Scenario 2: Trading Buckshot (one bullet hit only)

tl;dr - Armor Graves does more damage.

Scenario 3: Trading Buckshot (all three bullets hit)

tl;dr - Armor Graves does more damage.

And that is not even factoring in that AD Graves takes more damage from the enemy support and most importantly, the enemy minions.

For other champions, I don't think the outcome will differ by a significant margin. Even champions with AD-scaling defensive abilities such as Riven and Renekton would experience a similarly minute difference which is insufficient to tip the scales in their favor.

So I'm looking for a new Singed build and this build appears to be for Lee Sin. Why is it under Singed? Do they use identical builds? I'm pretty new to LoL (about 3 weeks). So I'm confused right now.

You are forgetting Caitlynn, Graves, Corki (whos passive gains on it) ashe (as she just needs to last hit to win game) as well as garen, renekton, riven, gangplank, and talon.
u may wanna recheck your statistics. just saying.

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Haha. No. Ezreal is the only AD carry who can do well with stacking flat AD runes instead of flat armor. So that's two champions out of 105. Possibly Varus too, since he has very high AD scaling. So, three champions out of 105.

Still doesn't change the problem of flat AD seals having ****ty stats, less than half the bonus of the marks.