Jungle Fiddle

[quote=Meshly]Which would you start with, Machete or Doran's Ring? Personally I'd rather start with the ring since I still leave at full health without a leash anyway and I would have the advantage of extra AP. I know some friends say the machete would end up giving you spellvamp and then buying a WotA for more spell vamp. But I like to rush Zhonya's on him anyway since it is the only item that makes his ult in teamfight viable really. Also for skills if the laners have good CC I max my drain first, but if they have good damage and lack CC then I max my fear first. What do you guys do? (Assuming you play Jungle Fiddle.) P.S. How do I keep from getting underleveled hardcore when my team isn't steamrolling them?[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]Machete is only good choice. Your clear time is super fast with it he has one faster clear times with it. Dorans i okay but you should have blue so dont need mana regen and you should also get Spirit Stone later on for mana gen when u dont have blue.[/quote]

[quote=Meshly]Doran's is only a few secs longer, what are you talking about?[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=Meshly] Doran's is only a few secs longer, what are you talking about? [/quote] Were not just talking about first clear once you buy sight sone your clear time will be much better so you can gank much more 20% increase vs dorans nothing but little ap.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]I'd say buy Machete, go Spirit Stone, and keep it at that. Fiddles doesn't really need spell vamp, getting WotA + Spectral Wraith is just lulsy. Zhonyas rush probably isn't ideal either, teamfights where you'd need it don't usually happen that early.[/quote]

[quote=Meshly]Well, thanks for the tips then.[/quote]

[quote=Dtrikz]The machete is the whole reason he got better as a jungler, besides you can just get mana potions instead of the health pots because of his infinite sustain[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]doran's because im not looking into building items that require a machete.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=A Chubby Baby] doran's because im not looking into building items that require a machete. [/quote] Its builds into a strong ap item tho.[/quote]

[quote=Meshly][quote=tehAsian] I'd say buy Machete, go Spirit Stone, and keep it at that. Fiddles doesn't really need spell vamp, getting WotA + Spectral Wraith is just lulsy. Zhonyas rush probably isn't ideal either, teamfights where you'd need it don't usually happen that early. [/quote] They said I wouldn't need Zhonya's for teamfights by the 20 minute mark, they lied to me. But yeah Machete is pretty good.[/quote]