League of Legends (LoL) Question: What's wrong with AP Rengar ?

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What's wrong with AP Rengar ?

Asked by LagspikeOMFG on March 15, 2013

hi guys i've seen a guide from "Tatticadanit0" of AP and all downvote that, but i've tried that 3 times and i went 8/2-9/1-5/2. so someone can tell me why all downvote that without even tried AP ?

Answers (1)

(538) |

I have explained it before, and I will just copy paste what I said before:

Yes, AP Rengar is hilarious for you do damage with something that should deal barely damage.
No, it is not viable.

OMG WHAT DO U MEAN NOT VIABLE?!
Simple:
You can cast a spell that deals a nice amount of damage with AP twice in a row when used well.

And then, then you have to wait....
You need to wait untill your CD of your W is off again, in order to deal damage again.

Sure, you can get Lich Bane, Deathfire Grasp, Hextech Gunblade or even Malady to still do some magic damage even when your W is on CD.
But if that would work, why don't you see AP Vayne or AP Riven? Might aswell, since there are so much AP items.

Since we all know AP Vayne and AP Riven will not work, whatever item you might get, same is for Rengar. You could get full CDR as Rengar, but then you will need to remove other damaging items which AP Rengar also might require.

So unless you are able to kill your enemies within the 2 W's you cast, AP Rengar is not viable.

AP RENGAR OPOPOPOPOPOPOPOP

(117) |

AP Trist has ridiculous burst and is a pretty strong lane bully once she gets some levels.

(538) |

But she is still amazingly strong though :P

(538) |

If Tristana does her full combo, she does:
80% (W) + 100% (E) + 150% (R) = 330% of her total AP

However, only 230% of it will be instant, 100% will be a dot.
But 230% is still 70% more than AP Rengar :P

Also, like mentioned before, AP Tristana will reset her W when she kills an enemy or gets an assist. This allows her to use her W a lot when used well.
Kind of like AP Yi with his ultimate.

Though, AP Tristana is very tricky since you have to be in the middle of the fight in order to do damage with your W.

For this reason, AP Tristana is very situation dependant and thus is not viable.

i have said "IF".

(316) |

Wat? As far as I know, she isn't. Although her scalings and base damage are great, she only has two ranged nukes, one of them a dot, both on high-ish cooldowns. Her W hurts in lane, but is risky as **** to use in teamfights. She's very in style.

(415) |

Stupid high burst and cooldown resets.

ok, only the last question. If ap is viable, why she is viable ?

(538) |

It's not about that.

I will repeat my quote:
"If you can kill the enemies with your full combo, it is fine."

In normal games, it could be fine, you could kill your enemies and dominate.

In ranked games, the other AP casters will kick your *** because you have a 10 seconds dead zone if you haven't killed your enemies by then.

People consider something viable when something has a low dependance on the current situation in a high competative match. Rengar is very dependant on the current situation, thus not considered viable.

ok but can you try 1 time AP then tell me your score ?

(538) |

, not lbelance :(

(538) |

Like I said in my last sentence:
If you can kill the enemies with your full combo, it is fine.

Rengar has 1 spell that can be used twice in a row, both times it will deal 80% of your ability power.
In total, that would be 160% of your AP.

In order to deal 160% again, you must wait around 10 seconds.

If we look at sustained mid casters like:
and , they has very short CD on their spells allowing them to keep casting high damaging spells.

Now let's look at high bursting mages like:
and .
Let's look at Veigar:
One combo (all spells in a row) will do 60% (Q) + 100% (W) + 120% (R) of his total ability power. In total that would be 280% of his AP, 120% more than a full combo from Rengar.

lbelanc has:
90% + 60% + 100% + 126% with her best combo/
This is: 376% of her ability power in total.

Start to see the difference between AP Rengar and other AP casters? :P