Elementz leaves curse

[quote=Satella]WildTurtle has the most gold per minute of everyone in the LCS, outperforming Doublelift and Nientonsoh by a significant margin. Chaox's GPM never even came close. He also has the second highest KDA out of all the AD carries in the LCS.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]as moon said before he only uses 2 AD carries well, so the only reason hes doing well is because the other teams have been banning out dyrus and reginald instead of wildturtle, if they banned out his 3 adcs im positive he wouldnt preform as well also GPM and KDA=/=skill[/quote]

[quote=Satella][quote=DillButt64] as moon said before he only uses 2 AD carries well, so the only reason hes doing well is because the other teams have been banning out dyrus and reginald instead of wildturtle, if they banned out his 3 adcs im positive he wouldnt preform as well[/quote] WTF are you talking about? Turtle has literally not had a single bad game on any AD Carry. He has 100% winrate with [[Caitlyn]], [[Draven]], [[Miss Fortune]], and [[Twitch]]; the only games that TSM lost with Turtle are when he played [[Varus]] (loss against Vulcun attributable to fubar'd level 1), and even then his score and CS was very good. If you look at his [url=http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/521955#ranked-stats]ranked stats[/url], it's quite clear that his champion pool is significantly larger than "2 AD carries". He's 27-8 on [[Vayne]] in Challenger I vs. Doublelift's 5-8 with her in Diamond I. [quote=DillButt64] also GPM and KDA=/=skill [/quote] GPM is literally one of the most important attributes for an AD Carry. If being able to consistently farm well and stay ahead of the enemy ADC isn't skill I don't know what is.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Doublelift doesn't even play solo queue and when Wildturtle was asked who he thought was the best AD in NA he said Doublelift. Does anyone really care about stats in any case? Cuz that's kinda not how LoL works.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]Stats are the best measuring stick we have. Unless you have a better alternative, I suggest you refrain from commenting in a nonconstructive fashion.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Satella] Stats are the best measuring stick we have. Unless you have a better alternative, I suggest you refrain from commenting in a nonconstructive fashion. [/quote] I suggest that I'll comment in whatever fashion I like friend. Furthermore I suggest that you aren't rude and dismissive to people for no reason.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]No, your opinion is equally "valuable" in that people should respect your opinion, but that does not mean it is equally valid. Simply stating "my opinion is valid" does not make it any more correct in a debate. Back it up with something. [quote=Luther3000]Furthermore I suggest that you aren't rude and dismissive to people for no reason.[/quote] Uh, you basically stated that no one gives a shit about what I said and are now telling me "not to be rude and dismissive to people for no reason". :/[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Satella] Stats are the best measuring stick we have. Unless you have a better alternative, I suggest you refrain from commenting in a nonconstructive fashion. [/quote] My head about exploded from the stupidity. Like reading over these comments you made don't even justify an answer, but I'll attempt to correct you of your ignorance. They're just blatantly wrong. Gold per minute, KDA, none of that really means anything. [quote=satella] WTF are you talking about? Turtle has literally not had a single bad game on any AD Carry. He has 100% winrate with Caitlyn, Draven, Miss Fortune, and Twitch; the only games that TSM lost with Turtle are when he played Varus (loss against Vulcun attributable to fubar'd level 1), and even then his score and CS was very good. If you look at his ranked stats, it's quite clear that his champion pool is significantly larger than "2 AD carries". He's 27-8 on Vayne in Challenger I vs. Doublelift's 5-8 with her in Diamond I. [/quote] I could be wrong, but since Wildturtle has joined the team they've only lost 1 game? They're something like 11-1 but I'm not entirely sure. In any case, you could attribute that to Wildturtle, but I woudln't. His winrate is the result of the team doing well. Dyrus and Reginald have been carrying. Wildturtle has just been doing his job. Even his teammates say that. None of them have ever said Wildturtle is carrying hard or he's better than chaox, for pretty good reason: he's not. Comparing Wildturtle's ranked Season 3 stats with Doublelift's especially on [[vayne]] totally discredits anything you say. No one will take you serious if you make such a ridiculous argument, nor should they. His champion pool consists of [[Caitlyn]] and [[Draven]]. He can half ass a [[Varus]] and thats about it. His [[Miss Fortune]] is not of the same level of any other pro nor are any of his other AD's. His [[twitch]] was pretty good back in the qualifiers, but still not at a top pro level. This is comparing his play to that of other AD's. Can his [[Miss Fortune]] compare to that of Chaox, Cop, or Nientonsoh. Nope. Can his [[twitch]], [[vayne]], etc. compare to any other pro? Nope. Thats why I say he has 2-champion pool. [quote=satella] GPM is literally one of the most important attributes for an AD Carry. If being able to consistently farm well and stay ahead of the enemy ADC isn't skill I don't know what is. [/quote] Both Doublelift and Nientonsoh have better CS mechanics than him. Cop and Imaqtpie probably do too. GPM is also attributed to dragons, kills, and towers. Not just farm. CLG plays a very low kill game, curse plays longer games which drag out GPM. The point I'm making is that this is a ridiculous stat inflated or deflated by so much more that goes on in the game. [quote=satella] No, your opinion is equally "valuable" in that people should respect your opinion, but that does not mean it is equally valid. Simply stating "my opinion is valid" does not make it any more correct in a debate. Back it up with something. [/quote] you're backing your statements up with stats that nobody cares about. So in essence, you are backing up your statements with nothing, therefore not backing your statements up. Your arguments are asenine and totally incorrect. No one here takes you seriously for good reason[/quote]

[quote=Satella]Oh you want to do this "argument by wall of text so you hope the other guy gives up and makes you look good"? Bring it on. [quote=Mooninites] My head about exploded from the stupidity. Like reading over these comments you made don't even justify an answer, but I'll attempt to correct you of your ignorance. They're just blatantly wrong. Gold per minute, KDA, none of that really means anything. [/quote] Once again you failed to provide a superior alternative and instead resorted to personal attacks. Ad hominem and argument by assertion. [u]Logical fallacy count:[/u] [color=#ffff00]2[/color] [quote=Mooninites] I could be wrong, but since Wildturtle has joined the team they've only lost 1 game? They're something like 11-1 but I'm not entirely sure. In any case, you could attribute that to Wildturtle, but I woudln't. His winrate is the result of the team doing well. [/quote] WildTurtle is also part of the team and did his part. In any case, TSM went 12-2 since he joined. Their record with Chaox was 9-5. Are you going to chalk that difference in performance up solely to the absence of Reginald's conflict with Chaox? WT's gameplay was a huge contributing factor in a significant number of these wins. Look at LCS VoDs from weeks 1-5, see how well Chaox performs, and compare it to the LCS VoDs from weeks 6-10. There's nothing spectacular about Chaox that makes you say "wow Chaox did this really awesome play, there's no way Turtle can do this". You are stating something true that does not actually support what you're saying in order to distract us from the fact that you don't have any other supporting ideas. [i]Non-sequitur[/i]. [u]Logical fallacy count:[/u] [color=#ffff00]3[/color] [quote=Mooninites]Dyrus and Reginald have been carrying. Wildturtle has just been doing his job. Even his teammates say that. None of them have ever said Wildturtle is carrying hard or he's better than chaox, for pretty good reason: he's not.[/quote] Reginald carrying? Good one. Can't wait for him to miss every Xerath skillshot then blame Dyrus. He also threw the game vs. Dignitas by engaging when his team could not follow up, and [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ut0VWd8fug]miserably failed at playing TF[/url] in their last game of the season. Good ultimates from WT and Xpecial carried that game, not his minion stuns and single-target red cards. Again you assert bullshit as if repeating it enough times makes it true. [u]Logical fallacy count:[/u] [color=#ffff00]4[/color] [quote=Mooninites] His champion pool consists of [[Caitlyn]] and [[Draven]]. He can half ass a [[Varus]] and thats about it. His [[Miss Fortune]] is not of the same level of any other pro nor are any of his other AD's. His [[twitch]] was pretty good back in the qualifiers, but still not at a top pro level. This is comparing his play to that of other AD's. Can his [[Miss Fortune]] compare to that of Chaox, Cop, or Nientonsoh. Nope. Can his [[twitch]], [[vayne]], etc. compare to any other pro? Nope. Thats why I say he has 2-champion pool.[/quote] You're acting as if stating something makes it automatically true. You're not some infallible omniscient being, go break down why his AD carry play doesn't compare with other professionals in a rigorous fashion instead of taking on this "holier than thou" attitude with your beliefs. Just [i]Ad hoc[/i]kery and more bullshit. [u]Logical fallacy count:[/u] [color=#ffff00]6[/color] [quote=satella] GPM is also attributed to dragons, kills, and towers. Not just farm. CLG plays a very low kill game, curse plays longer games which drag out GPM. The point I'm making is that this is a ridiculous stat inflated or deflated by so much more that goes on in the game.[/quote] This is pretty much the only argument you provided that I agree with because you backed it up with logic and reasoning. Good job. [quote=satella] you're backing your statements up with stats that nobody cares about. So in essence, you are backing up your statements with nothing, therefore not backing your statements up. Your arguments are asenine and totally incorrect. No one here takes you seriously for good reason [/quote] Your spelling and punctuation skills are asinine; should I use this as an excuse to not take you seriously? [u]Logical fallacy count:[/u] [color=#ffff00]8[/color] Overall grade of [color=#ff0000]F[/color]. Put more effort in please.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]You're blatantly wrong, so continue on thinking whatever you want. But no one here agrees with you and for good reason [quote=satella] Overall grade of F. Put more effort in please. [/quote] believe me, you aren't worth the effort[/quote]