Midlane Graves

[quote=rudyards]What about playing Graves as a midlane bruiser/AD Caster type role? Getting Armor Pen and CDR and abusing Graves' naturally high wave clear would allow you to force the enemy to remain in lane or open up roaming opportunities. He's hard to gank, as long as you have some mana regen (quickdraw and smokescreen are fantastic defensive options) and he scales amazingly if you give him free farm (since he's kinda an adc). Thoughts? Issues?[/quote]

[quote=Alcasea]i had played a game where we fought against a mid graves. either the player who is using graves is strong or it is just our katarina who sucks. he just steamrolled mid and the last thing we know we only have the inhib left :C fair to say we lost XD so he might be good[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]APCs naturally counter ADCs. If they survive to 6 they'll probably repeatedly burst you 100-0, and steamroll over you mid game after they get a damage item or 2.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]You can lane mid solo with Caitlyn just fine. Other ADCs, not too sure. Never seen them mid minus an occasional lane swap (and even then those are incredibly rare in solo queue, I've only seen those recently in ranked 5s).[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Aside from caitlyn the only other AD carries that go mid are running off meta AP builds like [[Tristana]] and [[Kog'maw]]... or rarely someone like me with [[varus]]. [[Ezreal]] also functions somewhat well at mid, AD or AP.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=OTGBionicArm] Aside from caitlyn the only other AD carries that go mid are running off meta AP builds like [[Tristana]] and [[Kog'maw]]... or rarely someone like me with [[varus]]. [[Ezreal]] also functions somewhat well at mid, AD or AP. [/quote] Varus functions okay as an AD mid because he actually scales with levels. Then again, zero roaming potential.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]He can roam with teleport atleast, I mean he has some mean CC to a gank, but yea he's not very good in the ways of traversing on foot.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Graves mid is best graves. srsly his w can fk up mids that rely on point and click spells, got good waveclear, and snipe people when he goes roaming, harder to burst since hes got passive, etc etc.[/quote]

[quote=Kinen]Just watched Hoodstomp play Graves mid vs Ryze in soloQ. Well, I was watching YoDaTV, but Hoodstomp was in it. He kept getting crapped on by Nasus ganks early on but caught up rapidly when left to free farm when Ryze started roaming. I couldn't really evaluate it, but I remembered this thread when I was watching and thought I'd mention it. To my knowledge it should theoretically have been a good matchup. As H4xDefender mentioned, w screws up Ryze's targeted casting and Graves' wave clear can abuse Ryze's early weak wave clear, which Hoodstomp appeared to be trying to do given he was frequently pushing against the tower. Also, being AD mid he could AA down the tower faster, a nice little bonus.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]Graves mid is strong. He too has pretty neat burst, not on-par with most mids, but he has strong auto-attack harass to make up for it, and his passive makes him tankier than the average mid who builds full damage. Strong wave-clear, strong harass, tankier than most, decent burst, decent escape, his unique CC makes him hard to fight for champions who need to click to use their spells, aaaaand he scales amazingly with levels and CS.[/quote]