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Disclaimer: Please note that these matchups are not guaranteed to win, but are generally good picks against their counterparts. Please also consider that not everyone plays the same and a counterpick for someone else, may not work so well for you. In fact, we all usually main 2 or 1 or 2 heros because we play those heros better than the rest and that is something to consider when picking too.
AD vs AD
Quinn counters Vayne
Trist counters Draven
Draven counters Sivir
Sivir counters Corki
Corki counters Ashe
Ashe counters Graves
Graves counters MF
Vayne counters EZ
Twitch counters Teemo
MF counters Twitch
Notables
-Caitlyn can do well in any lane and although she does have some popular lane matchups that she is picked into (believed to be a counterpick of) she is very ignorable if she isn't played hyper-aggressive and will sometimes become irrelevant the longer the game goes.
-Kennen falls off against everyone if built ad.
-Kog counters noone but outscales everyone at certain levels.
-MF can beat anyone in lane.
-Vayne's early game is actually quite powerful despite being squishy.
-EZ doesn't counter anyone, but soft counters Draven. It's because EZ can q where his axes are going to fall, but this is offset by Draven's ability to outtrade him and essentially out mid-game, Ezreal.
-Despite popular belief, Vayne can beat Caitlyn if played well.
-Varus doesn't counter anyone, but lanes really well against everyone. You pick him for his laning phase.
Picking Your Support
Generally speaking, there are no real "counter picks" it's just simply a matter of what is commonly accepted as good.
If you can theory craft it, then it can be good. For instance: you are against an MF and Sona bot lane.
A good example of some bottom lanes you want to run against that would be :
draven, leona
leona, ez
taric, caitlyn
janna, vayne
alistar, twitch
You just want to make sure that there is some kind of synergy between the two heros. It's not like there is any one combo that is the best, but rather each combo is dynamic and has certain strengths and weaknesses which will be personified by each persons skill level.
An example of a bad lane to pick against mf sona is something with less sustain than sona that has no hard engage.
If you are picking against MF purely, you would pick something that can lane against her early game and scale just as well as her in every part of the game like Varus.
Since you also have to account for Sona in this matchup (as well as your own support and potentially their entire team), it may be a mistake to pick Varus without a sustain support.
The tradeoff for picking a non sustain support is that you will either be outlaned completely or slightly outlaned for the chance at total domination of the lane and glorious glorious kills.
There are exceptions to the non sustain support in terms of aggressiveness (tTaric, Alistar, Sona, and in some ways Nami), but generally speaking the supports with the strongest laning phase all ins do not carry heals in their kit (Leona, Lulu, Janna, Lux, Nunu).
It's pretty insignificant to classify heros by whether or not they have a basic ability that heals in relation to how they are played, but the correlation is undeniable. Non sustain supports typically have the better all in during lane, but have a weaker laning phase in general which they trade for a better late game.
Conclusion
There are plenty of lanes that go even against each other and because there is always another person to consider in the lane, knowing how a certain combination works versus another is pretty important.
You will only learn this with time and it's something that's different for everyone even if there exists popular counter picks.
Learning what works for you and not trying to figure out what everyone else is doing is probably the best thing you could do for yourself. At the same time, you should also consider what's popular because it is most likely popular for a reason. At the very least it is your job to know why. Thank You
AD vs AD
Quinn counters Vayne
Trist counters Draven
Draven counters Sivir
Sivir counters Corki
Corki counters Ashe
Ashe counters Graves
Graves counters MF
Vayne counters EZ
Twitch counters Teemo
MF counters Twitch
Notables
-Caitlyn can do well in any lane and although she does have some popular lane matchups that she is picked into (believed to be a counterpick of) she is very ignorable if she isn't played hyper-aggressive and will sometimes become irrelevant the longer the game goes.
-Kennen falls off against everyone if built ad.
-Kog counters noone but outscales everyone at certain levels.
-MF can beat anyone in lane.
-Vayne's early game is actually quite powerful despite being squishy.
-EZ doesn't counter anyone, but soft counters Draven. It's because EZ can q where his axes are going to fall, but this is offset by Draven's ability to outtrade him and essentially out mid-game, Ezreal.
-Despite popular belief, Vayne can beat Caitlyn if played well.
-Varus doesn't counter anyone, but lanes really well against everyone. You pick him for his laning phase.
Picking Your Support
Generally speaking, there are no real "counter picks" it's just simply a matter of what is commonly accepted as good.
If you can theory craft it, then it can be good. For instance: you are against an MF and Sona bot lane.
A good example of some bottom lanes you want to run against that would be :
draven, leona
leona, ez
taric, caitlyn
janna, vayne
alistar, twitch
You just want to make sure that there is some kind of synergy between the two heros. It's not like there is any one combo that is the best, but rather each combo is dynamic and has certain strengths and weaknesses which will be personified by each persons skill level.
An example of a bad lane to pick against mf sona is something with less sustain than sona that has no hard engage.
If you are picking against MF purely, you would pick something that can lane against her early game and scale just as well as her in every part of the game like Varus.
Since you also have to account for Sona in this matchup (as well as your own support and potentially their entire team), it may be a mistake to pick Varus without a sustain support.
The tradeoff for picking a non sustain support is that you will either be outlaned completely or slightly outlaned for the chance at total domination of the lane and glorious glorious kills.
There are exceptions to the non sustain support in terms of aggressiveness (tTaric, Alistar, Sona, and in some ways Nami), but generally speaking the supports with the strongest laning phase all ins do not carry heals in their kit (Leona, Lulu, Janna, Lux, Nunu).
It's pretty insignificant to classify heros by whether or not they have a basic ability that heals in relation to how they are played, but the correlation is undeniable. Non sustain supports typically have the better all in during lane, but have a weaker laning phase in general which they trade for a better late game.
Conclusion
There are plenty of lanes that go even against each other and because there is always another person to consider in the lane, knowing how a certain combination works versus another is pretty important.
You will only learn this with time and it's something that's different for everyone even if there exists popular counter picks.
Learning what works for you and not trying to figure out what everyone else is doing is probably the best thing you could do for yourself. At the same time, you should also consider what's popular because it is most likely popular for a reason. At the very least it is your job to know why. Thank You
you're probably right..
As for byakuyaku: I felt the need to defend myself against the hate train, but don't let that change your opinion of me (you can still hate me).
I really could care less about what anyone thinks of me as long as they aren't saying that I'm wrong when in fact I was well within my rights to share my opinion.
I do apologize for being condescending, but that doesn't change my intent which was to discredit anyone that is talking **** and doesn't know what they are talking about.
There's a difference between defending yourself and looking for others acc to ***** at them, why do you think NOONE agrees with you.
If you can't accept criticism just don't post things like this, as you have your rights to post your opinion we aswell have them.
"Twitch counters Teemo"
what is teemo doing in bot? (jk xD)
haha, you sly fellow! I didn't want to leave this matchup out in case anyone had the chance to pick it!
Stick to discussing the actual content of the blog. Any further comments about tiers/divisions (this includes both comments about someone's actual tier/division as well as hateful "l0l are you sure you're not Bronze V"- type of comments) will be removed. The same goes for other comments that are aimed at a person rather than the content itself.
This goes for everyone. Consider yourselves warned.
ok, I'll play nice. thanks for stepping in.
agree with most 'counters' (if you can call it that. Maybe "is good against" would be a better choice of words), except for maybe tristana countering draven which is a very difficult lane for tristana in most cases
also I really wouldn't call Ezreal a soft counter to Draven, sure you can Q where his axes are going to land but all he needs is a vamp scepter and LS quints to shrug that damage off and proceed to wreck ezreal any time he wants creeps.
also lol @ people jumping on the hate train to look cool. I'm pretty sure most of you have no clue how bot lane works l0l. This blog isn't 'wrong' at all.
you're probably right..
As for byakuyaku: I felt the need to defend myself against the hate train, but don't let that change your opinion of me (you can still hate me).
I really could care less about what anyone thinks of me as long as they aren't saying that I'm wrong when in fact I was well within my rights to share my opinion.
I do apologize for being condescending, but that doesn't change my intent which was to discredit anyone that is talking **** and doesn't know what they are talking about.
This goes for everyone. Consider yourselves warned.
inb4 Mobafire introduces -rep for this kind of people
what is teemo doing in bot? (jk xD)
also I really wouldn't call Ezreal a soft counter to Draven, sure you can Q where his axes are going to land but all he needs is a vamp scepter and LS quints to shrug that damage off and proceed to wreck ezreal any time he wants creeps.
also lol @ people jumping on the hate train to look cool. I'm pretty sure most of you have no clue how bot lane works l0l. This blog isn't 'wrong' at all.
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Varus doesn't counter anyone, but lanes well against everyone. That's fairly obvious to me. I overlooked putting that in. :D
Also, it's not just his laning phase that's good. He's the only carry besides