Jarvan IV

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=tehAsian] Pheyniex, you're implying that a good Jarvan would use his ult to close the gap, when that's what his EQ is for. He EQ's, W's and you're already taking a whole bunch of damage. If you don't blow your built in escape you're dead. THEN he ults and burns your Flash as well. Best case scenario for him is that he doesn't even NEED EQ as a gap closer, and gets you even after you Flash. [/quote] you're assuming everyone is a good [[Jarvan]] and that every play is as you described? i've always said [[Cataclysm]] is fairly flawed. He has simply been consistently popular ever since the season started. ihmo because he's flexible in his role. a fed [[maokai]] doesn't really have the same impact as a fed [[jarvan]], but he can still do his tank duties very well.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]im in silver and most of the jarvens do exactly what asian said, i think hes assuming most jarven players arnt brain dead[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]J4 isnt as ridiculous as he seems. He's an incredibly slow jungler and a pretty shitty duelist (By himself, early on). He just camps lanes like a boss, but if he fucks up ganks it puts him REALLY behind due to his farming speed. And plus let's not forget he is not longer Aura Bot Swag J4, that was when he was truly silly. I do so miss his flag aura...[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]why would you ever assume the player is bad when discussing a champion lol I agree with what Asian said, the only thing I really feel comfortable picking vs Jarvan is Ezreal and even then my flash is probably gone if the gank is good. ADCs without escapes are generally just completely screwed if he decides to camp bot.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Luther3000] why would you ever assume the player is bad when discussing a champion lol [/quote] To be fair, a bad Jarvan fucks HIS OWN TEAM up.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]the only to times i had legitimate problems with [[Jarvan]] was when i didn't bring [[flash]] while playing [[teemo]] and letting him ult my sololaners together making me [[Glacial Prison]] him, therefore getting a free [[Bullet time]] to the face.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]wat[/quote]

[quote=Joshified][quote=Pheyniex] [quote=tehAsian] Pheyniex, you're implying that a good Jarvan would use his ult to close the gap, when that's what his EQ is for. He EQ's, W's and you're already taking a whole bunch of damage. If you don't blow your built in escape you're dead. THEN he ults and burns your Flash as well. Best case scenario for him is that he doesn't even NEED EQ as a gap closer, and gets you even after you Flash. [/quote] you're assuming everyone is a good [[Jarvan]] and that every play is as you described? i've always said [[Cataclysm]] is fairly flawed. He has simply been consistently popular ever since the season started. ihmo because he's flexible in his role. a fed [[maokai]] doesn't really have the same impact as a fed [[jarvan]], but he can still do his tank duties very well. [/quote] Speaking of Maokai, why did he go down so drastically in popularity? I don't see him played often, but when he is played he always does exceptionally well.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Philo stone was nerfed and HoG was removed. That pretty much killed a lot of the supporty tank junglers that were around in S2.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Luther3000] Philo stone was nerfed and HoG was removed. That pretty much killed a lot of the supporty tank junglers that were around in S2. [/quote] He was still pretty popular for a bit. It's probably because he doesn't really do "enough" after a certain point, when other tanks like [[Sejuani]], [[Nautilus]] and [[Amumu]] are more directly threatening, merely off their base numbers and CC.[/quote]