Jayce and Elise

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Jayce]] is a better laner, tbh. He took heavy nerfs but at least he doesn't go oom in less than 4 spells like [[Elise]] does. He also generally has more damage and trades or harasses easily (practically free). [[Elise]] on the other hand is an extremely powerful jungler simply by sheer versatility. Great sustain, fast speed, great ganks. Either are great. For Jayce and the tear nerfs; It hurt. A lot. However, you don't even really need Muramana on him, cause the toggle helps him only for using his W. I personally grab a [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] over Muramana now and just try to be a little more careful with my mana. A [[Trinity force]] could also be a good pick up. Hope this helps. :D[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Jayce didn't have great win/loss ratio's all across the board and he got nerfed because he got retarded stats in LCS, but in solo queue he was quite fine. After the nerfs he is quite weak if you'd ask me, especially as a top laner.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]He's still fine at mid, Vyn. He does more damage than most mages can handle anyway, and is still very safe. (I never played him at top lane, and he's my second favorite mid)[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]He is fine at mid, but not top tier anymore. However, since OP is a top main I can assume he is talking about top lane in general, and that is what I responded to.[/quote]

[quote=SirAeros][quote=OTGBionicArm] [[Jayce]] is a better laner, tbh. He took heavy nerfs but at least he doesn't go oom in less than 4 spells like [[Elise]] does. He also generally has more damage and trades or harasses easily (practically free). [[Elise]] on the other hand is an extremely powerful jungler simply by sheer versatility. Great sustain, fast speed, great ganks. Either are great. For Jayce and the tear nerfs; It hurt. A lot. However, you don't even really need Muramana on him, cause the toggle helps him only for using his W. I personally grab a [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] over Muramana now and just try to be a little more careful with my mana. A [[Trinity force]] could also be a good pick up. Hope this helps. :D [/quote] Trinit Force Pff just get a IE and Blat blat Blat[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Well yea, I meant if he wanted some mana.. But eh,[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=OTGBionicArm] but at least he doesn't go oom in less than 4 spells like [[Elise]] does. [/quote] ...Which is why you don't spam her abilities (especially early before getting several ranks into your Q, it doesn't do much at rank 1 or 2 anyway) :P Also, I feel itemisation for [[Elise]] to help fix this issue is a little easier, since [[Jayce]]'s only real option is tear.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]Elise is pretty much god tear in jungle i know that for fact. She is still top 3 after all her nerfs no idea how she holds up in top now. As for jayce hes still solid champ nerfs hurt him but hes still great just not op. Trinity might be good on him now i not sure if just stacking ad and cdr is still best build.[/quote]