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[quote=SlashStarEX][quote=NicknameMy] [[rammus]] got destroyed. Now he can neither lane nor jungle, poor guy. At least, the [[Spirit Stone]] change will at least give him some more sustain. [/quote] Support [[rammus]] begs to differ.[/quote]

[quote=LevasK]Support [[Rammus]] is terrible,because he has no sustain no poke and all his CC is melee range (well almost) 99% of the time in lane you will be doing nothing ,but eating free poke.[/quote]

[quote=SlashStarEX][quote=LevasK] Support [[Rammus]] is terrible,because he has no sustain no poke and all his CC is melee range (well almost) 99% of the time in lane you will be doing nothing ,but eating free poke. [/quote] You could say the same about [[leona]], it's not like you are going to stay out of bushes and take the harass, you bide your time and flash q with your jungler and start to snowball[/quote]

[quote=I post stuff][quote=LevasK] Support [[Rammus]] is terrible,because he has no sustain no poke and all his CC is melee range (well almost) 99% of the time in lane you will be doing nothing ,but eating free poke. [/quote] I for one enjoy support [[poppy]]. She pretty much takes no damage whatsoever from the ADC and [[heroic charge]] is hard to deal with.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh][[nasus]] became must-ban. [[taric]] is OP. Haven't lost a single game as support. [[mundo]]. LOVE THIS PATCH.[/quote]

[quote=drakon136][quote=SlashStarEX] You could say the same about [[leona]], it's not like you are going to stay out of bushes and take the harass, you bide your time and flash q with your jungler and start to snowball [/quote] You could indeed say the same about Leona. However, you'd be wrong, because support Rammus is trash and support Leona is good. The only reason to pick support Rammus is for the three-second CC; if you want that, pick Fiddlesticks.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][[Shyvana]] didnt get changed too much this patch but shes a must ban still [[Taric]] is kinda crazy right now [[Nasus]] is still strong even though they nerfed his early sustain [[Evelynn]] is good, they changed SOTEL tho so shes not completely out of control as she would be[/quote]

[quote=SlashStarEX][quote=drakon136] [quote=SlashStarEX] You could say the same about [[leona]], it's not like you are going to stay out of bushes and take the harass, you bide your time and flash q with your jungler and start to snowball [/quote] You could indeed say the same about Leona. However, you'd be wrong, because support Rammus is trash and support Leona is good. The only reason to pick support Rammus is for the three-second CC; if you want that, pick Fiddlesticks. [/quote] Ah, but [[rammus]] get's to become a tanky initiator rather than a squishy [[zhonya's hourglass]] reliant champ. He peels and can do so many more plays than [[fiddlesticks]] can when it comes to roaming ganks as well.[/quote]

[quote=LevasK]We are derailing this thread way too much.If you want to discuss/defend supports like [[Rammus]] ,[[Poppy]] just make another thread or we can continue this in PMs.[/quote]

[quote=SlashStarEX][quote=LevasK] We are derailing this thread way too much.If you want to discuss/defend supports like [[Rammus]] ,[[Poppy]] just make another thread or we can continue this in PMs. [/quote] Except they were able to play the support role directly from all the changes in the 3.14 patch As it was said earlier in the thread [[Rammus]] is just unsuitable for jungle because he could not get a gold lead and definitely needs gold to reach his breaking point. Similarly, [[poppy]] cannot survive the current top lane of high push / mid game champs and also requires high amounts of gold to function, (although I will debate the usage of her as as support) With the [[bandit]] passive, assist streaks, instant gpX items at first buy, there is much more gold to be spread on the team.[/quote]