What's up with Riven?

[quote=TheKut]I'll keep it simple. What's the deal with [[Riven]]? Why isn't she getting nerfed or slightly changed? And how the shit do you counter her, both generally and in top lane, and how do you deal with her when she's fed, generally and in top lane?[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]afaik, play safe so that she can't snowball and she is useless.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD]She has a fair amount of counters, late-game she dies pretty much instantly and CC stops her in her tracks. She hardly sees tournament play because of all this. She doesn't need nerfs, maybe some fixes because the remove-cast-time tricks are stupid.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Countering her in lane mostly depends on your pick: [[Renekton]] and [[Garen]] would be the main two candidates I can think of right now. A lot of champs will also be more useful than her in teamfights if she doesn't snowball, so playing it safe is generally a pretty good idea. In teamfights the best way to deal with her is locking her down with hard CC and bursting her; silences are really good against her too.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Wayne3100] Countering her in lane mostly depends on your pick: [[Renekton]] and [[Garen]] would be the main two candidates I can think of right now. A lot of champs will also be more useful than her in teamfights if she doesn't snowball, so playing it safe is generally a pretty good idea. In teamfights the best way to deal with her is locking her down with hard CC and bursting her; silences are really good against her too. [/quote] [[Darius]] and [[Shyvana]] are also good picks.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Using a ranged champion to harass her a lot at level 1 is effective. [[Renekton]] from my experience dominates her. [quote=GrandmasterD] [[Darius]] and [[Shyvana]] are also good picks. [/quote] If a [[riven]] knows what she is doing she can all in [[Darius]] at lvl 1,2, or 3 and probably win. [[shyvana]] is a really good pick against melee, good suggestion. Also [[Dr. Mundo]] has been pretty popular top, he can probably kite riven all day with cleavers[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh][[mundo]] can spam cleavers and keep her at bay until becoming unkillable. I've had success with [[olaf]] as well, but it's a skill matchup more than anything. Max E, go tanky and bait her all-in, sustain with W after stun, sit on her face and spam laugh. [[renekton]] deals with everybody top lane. Hate that big croc. [[shyvana]] is a great pick, but is kind of like [[mundo]], you can't really kill her early unless she fucks up. [[garen]] shits on her. E her Qs, try to Q before she does anything, zone her, etc. Honestly, there is just a circlejerk going on about [[riven]] being OP and that's not the case. She's very very strong and can snowball and be simply ridiculous early/mid-game, but she does have hefty drawbacks.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]Riven is a champion that to many will look very OP due to how hard she snowballs if she gets ahead. However, she does have quite a few weaknesses which is why I believe she isn't getting nerfed (or at least not yet). Most of her weaknesses have already been mentioned. She depends on having a strong laning phase to have a strong impact on the game and there are several champions that can shut her down in lane or at least stop her from going out of control (most notable examples are [[renekton]], [[garen]], [[shyvana]] or some slightly more niche picks such as [[trundle]] and [[quinn]]) She's also a weak teamfighter against CC heavy teams because she relies on using all of her abilities in a fight to do damage. If you CC her she won't be able to use them and she'll just die due to how squishy she is. People are quick to say she's OP because if she does get ahead she does absurd amounts of damage, though that's really all she does.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Mooninites] Using a ranged champion to harass her a lot at level 1 is effective. [[Renekton]] from my experience dominates her. [quote=GrandmasterD] [[Darius]] and [[Shyvana]] are also good picks. [/quote] If a [[riven]] knows what she is doing she can all in [[Darius]] at lvl 1,2, or 3 and probably win. [/quote] My experience taught me that [[Darius]] can easily outtrade her in early levels due to his Innate.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]red pot riven beats darius pre 6, though if she doesn't get ahead she loses post 6[/quote]