Starting Ancient Coin in toplane 5v5

[quote=Princemild]Hi I'm new to this forum, but not new to reading all the guides and builds. In the "old" days it would be normal for the toplaners like Irelia/Nasus/Poppy to start with a money gen item with health/mana regen. I never see this anymore. Would it be so bad to start of toplane with Irelia with a Ancient coin? Then I get health/mana and gold. I assume Ancient coin generate gold for me when my opponent kills minions. Tell me if it's terrible.[/quote]

[quote=emoriam]The gold generation would be fine but overall it doesn't help you when it comes to trading. For top laners just go for [[Doran's Shield]] or rarely [[Doran's Blade]]. R.I.P Heart of Gold q.q[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][[Ancient Coin]] isn't good because it only works when [b]your team's[/b] minions die. So basically, only if you are bad at CS'ing. Since you should be trying to kill as many minions as possible, you shouldn't intentionally build an item for playing badly. [[Relic Shield]] is useless if you don't have a lane partner. [[Spellthief's Edge]] is pretty bad because its passive is disabled for 10 seconds every time you kill a minion. Since you are trying to get as many minions as possible, this item is useless. As a top laner, you don't benefit from the upgraded forms ([[Face of the Mountain]], [[Frost Queen's Claim]], you could argue [[Talisman of Ascension]]), so you don't really want to upgrade the base items. [[Doran's Shield]] or [[Doran's Blade]] provide better dueling stats, and are much more cost efficient than the other items. Basically, it doesn't work anymore. The only reason it used to work was that Philosopher's Stone and Heart of Gold actually provided decent stats on top of gold generation.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD]Please just don't.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][[ancient coin]] is probably the only one which is cost efficient on the condition you keep it and upgrade it later in the game. The only reason it isn't taken is because [[talisman of ascension]] isn't as useful as the old [[shurelya's reverie]] used to be statwise. The sustain of Talisman later in the game isn't that useful later in the game, particularly for top laners. The CDR is nice, but there are better all around items to get for top laners like [[spirit visage]]. I was examining [[frost queen's claim]] not too long ago, but I'm not really convinced it's worth getting, because it seems to be low-cost, low-moderate return. With the money you could probably purchase something else with better stats.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Face of the Mountain is an okay item pick up later in the game because the shield is pretty good for a top laner, but starting with the item is bad.[/quote]

[quote=Jack Rubino][[Gangplank]] says "k" about [[Ancient Coin]] :D[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000][[gangplank]] is a noob.[/quote]

[quote=dragon00bicus]I'd get Blade over Coin on solotop [[Gangplank]], besides, he already gives his allies MS & AD boost, his passive already slows the enemy. All he lacks are shields and heals which is provided with Face of the Mountain. I play him as support, so yeah, sue me.[/quote]

[quote=MugyvrNinja]I like the Idea of starting with gold income items i do it as well along with my GP10 rune pages its really fun and a good challenge overall Ancient Coin isn't my thing because it don't start generating gold until you upgrade it to the Medallion. I like to start of with spellthief's edge then when i accumulate approximately 1200 gold I will go back and invest on Avarice Blade and upgrade to Frostfang, the gold income is insane especially if you are good at farming. You can then later sell your gp10 items later in the game and get even more gold.[/quote]