Is talon good? should i buy him?

[quote=IPodPulse][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Cooper112] zed does what talon does 10x better comes down to that its same with alot ap's no need play any others when grgas does everything any mage does in game but better. [/quote] [img]http://puu.sh/7N4Da.jpg[/img] Name me 1 assassin who does 1600 damage in one hit, without their ult. [/quote] Wtf were you building that game?[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]im guessing ghostblade IE hydra last whisper some kind of boots and uhhh cleaver? either that or BT[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]Lw > Youmuu's > IE > Mobos > BT > Scimitar[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]I think [[Talon]]s a good pick into some mids, but to say he's good seems a bit of a stretch. He's good in some situations but not most.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Cooper112] zed does what talon does 10x better comes down to that its same with alot ap's no need play any others when grgas does everything any mage does in game but better. [/quote] [img]http://puu.sh/7N4Da.jpg[/img] Name me 1 assassin who does 1600 damage in one hit, without their ult. [/quote] That proves nothing there are reasons you see zed and not talon in most games he a much safer champ with better escape. All they need is sweepers to see you in ult zed can do much more and just out play with his ult and w.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]notice that talon irl said "without their ult" also you dont get hydra anymore? or was it just that game[/quote]

[quote=drakon136][quote=DillButt64] notice that talon irl said "without their ult" also you dont get hydra anymore? or was it just that game [/quote] I asked him the same question in his ranked thread, and he said he doesn't get it anymore for reasons I cannot remember. [quote=Vapora Dark] Let me re-state that: Name me one VIABLE assassin who can do over 1600 damage in one hit without their ult. [/quote] Now that I think about it, I [i]could[/i] argue that Talon might not be considered a viable assassin either, but I won't because I play Talon too and I actually just said it now that I think about it. I'm sorry. ;_;[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Cooper112] [quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=Cooper112] zed does what talon does 10x better comes down to that its same with alot ap's no need play any others when grgas does everything any mage does in game but better. [/quote] [img]http://puu.sh/7N4Da.jpg[/img] Name me 1 assassin who does 1600 damage in one hit, without their ult. [/quote] he a much safer champ with better escape [/quote] That's exactly why he sees more play than Talon. Not because he does everything 10x better than him. When Zed can 1-shot an ADC in under a second on a 6 second cooldown with no counterplay available, as well as dropping anyone near him down by 40% HP, come find me and repeat what you just said, then maybe I'll listen. Edit: I don't take Hydra anymore because you can't cast ult during the item's active, which is a massive pain in the ass when you die because you got stunned during Tiamat's active because you couldn't activate ult yet. I go with BT now, seeing as Talon has enough damage anyway.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I actually think [[Talon]] is a better assassin, all things considered than [[Zed]]. Bare with me, I know GMD will have my head for this. Think about it, sure, [[Zed]] has some fancy juking and is good at killing squishies efficiently and swiftly. But that's about all he does. There's also so much room for error with [[Zed]] that you'd need to be a god of his mechanics to consistently pull him off. Meanwhile, while [[Talon]] does have more abusable features than [[zed]] like using mana, high ability costs and no escape maneuver outside of his ultimate, [[Talon]] is relatively simple. He does his job as advertised with no fuss or gimmicks. He dashes to your face and rakes it off. Clean and simple. There's really, very little room for error in [[Talon]]'s burst combo besides maybe throwing [[rake]] the wrong way (I do this alot. :3). Basically; I think [[Zed]] is Godlike in the right hands, but otherwise is a one-trick pony with too many gimmicky features that make him to easy to mess up. [[Talon]] is far more abusable in lane, but is more reliable with little dedication to mastering him.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Another thing to note, is that [[death mark]] gets countered by [[zhonya's hourglass]] and [[mercurial scimitar]]. When i play ADCs, and zed becomes a problem, i can usually still carry games. Because of this A fed talon on the other hand? Forget it! I die so fast, and there's very little counterplay i myself can do in such a small window of time to make me survive his burst.[/quote]