Proof Dominion Wins Are Random

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Xander756] [quote=Meiyjhe] Dominion is a very teamdepending mode, probably even more so than in SR. This means that the outcome of the game is indeed heavily influenced by the teammates you will get. However, just like in SR, you are 20% of your team. If you function really well, if you cap a lot of points and deny a lot of enemy captures, then you can indeed have a big positive impact on the outcome of the game. Does this mean you always win? No. Does this mean you win more in general? Yes. So does that mean that the outcome is random? No. If you do have influence on the outcome of the game, then the outcome isn't random. This is because randomness means that there is no pattern in the outcome, it means that everyone has just as big of a chance to win, in this case. That is not true, you yourself stated if you stand still in a match then you are going to lose, because then it isn't random. So the same should count if you carry your team to victory, then it also isn't random. You classify good dominion plays as: "Never dying" "high scores" Whereas dominion is more than just that. Actually, high scores and low deaths are just a small part of the whole dominion scene. Capturing points and maintaining them, THAT is what wins you games. Defending points is not something that is visible in your scores, only as "points" in general. In order to bring real proof, you must show analyses of full games, games where people win, games where people lose. Fully analyse those games how much they cap points and how long they maintain them. Then you upload a few example video's and point those things out. Then you have real proof. tldr; Dominion wins aren't random. The proof you have is basically directed to: "Dominion is heavily team dependant", which is very true indeed. [/quote] Yes and the teammates you get via matchmaking are random. [/quote] You have no clue how Riot's matchmaking's system works and neither do I. Although I do question your assumption that it is utterly random.[/quote]

[quote=astrolia]Isn't this Xander guy the same one who wrote that he has 10000 KDA in Dominion, so he must be good at this game?[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Dear astrolia: How many times per game are you "randomly" paired up with bronze teammates? According to some [url=http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3959422]league of legends demographics[/url], bronze ELO players make up 25 of the league population. That means if the matchmaking system is random, you're expected to get around 2-3 bronze players per game you play in. Right? Oh wait - what's that? You hardly ever see bronze tier players in your games? Oh hmm. Maybe the league of legends matchmaking system isn't random, and judges your overall success in games to pair you up with people that are equal to your skill level... Sorry xander, the slot machine, RNG phenomena you proposed isn't right[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Astrolia = sarcasm[/quote]

[quote=Xander756][quote=utopus] Dear astrolia: How many times per game are you "randomly" paired up with bronze teammates? According to some [url=http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3959422]league of legends demographics[/url], bronze ELO players make up 25 of the league population. That means if the matchmaking system is random, you're expected to get around 2-3 bronze players per game you play in. Right? Oh wait - what's that? You hardly ever see bronze tier players in your games? Oh hmm. Maybe the league of legends matchmaking system isn't random, and judges your overall success in games to pair you up with people that are equal to your skill level... Sorry xander, the slot machine, RNG phenomena you proposed isn't right [/quote] I see bronze players just as often as I see Platinum and Gold players in Dominion.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Xander756] [quote=utopus] Dear astrolia: How many times per game are you "randomly" paired up with bronze teammates? According to some [url=http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3959422]league of legends demographics[/url], bronze ELO players make up 25 of the league population. That means if the matchmaking system is random, you're expected to get around 2-3 bronze players per game you play in. Right? Oh wait - what's that? You hardly ever see bronze tier players in your games? Oh hmm. Maybe the league of legends matchmaking system isn't random, and judges your overall success in games to pair you up with people that are equal to your skill level... Sorry xander, the slot machine, RNG phenomena you proposed isn't right [/quote] I see bronze players just as often as I see Platinum and Gold players in Dominion. [/quote] Prove it. Multiple screenshots (I'd at least 100) of lolnexus.com that shows this. Then create a table and a graph that'll show that you encounter more Bronze players than Plat players on your team. (Then you'd also need to compare this to the enemy teams to see if that balanced out, obviously. However let's omit that for now.)[/quote]

[quote=Xander756]Honestly I'm not gonna invest that kind of time but I did go through recent games and here was the ranked breakdown of players in the game: 6 bronze, 22 silver, 15 gold, 7 platinum, 1 diamond So most of the ranked players I encounter seem to be Silver or Gold but what else is interesting is that I have actually seen nearly identical numbers of Platinums as Bronzes. Edit: This is just recently as well. I know a couple weeks ago, for example, I played a 5 man pre-made team of four platinums and 1 diamond so those numbers would have shot way up had we looked further back. Point is, it's pretty random whether I face bronzes or face platinums.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]doesnt dominion have its own separate elo from ranked and normal games?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=DillButt64] doesnt dominion have its own separate elo from ranked and normal games? [/quote] Yep. Which is why the "I see high elo players all the time" argument holds less water than a cylinder of wire mesh.[/quote]

[quote=astrolia][quote=utopus] Dear astrolia: How many times per game are you "randomly" paired up with bronze teammates? According to some [url=http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3959422]league of legends demographics[/url], bronze ELO players make up 25 of the league population. That means if the matchmaking system is random, you're expected to get around 2-3 bronze players per game you play in. Right? Oh wait - what's that? You hardly ever see bronze tier players in your games? Oh hmm. Maybe the league of legends matchmaking system isn't random, and judges your overall success in games to pair you up with people that are equal to your skill level... Sorry xander, the slot machine, RNG phenomena you proposed isn't right [/quote] I'm confused about why this was addressed to me.[/quote]