Is talon good? should i buy him?

[quote=IPodPulse]I love how this thread turned from should I buy Talon to this is why Talon is better then Zed[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=utopus] Another thing to note, is that [[death mark]] gets countered by [[zhonya's hourglass]] and [[mercurial scimitar]]. When i play ADCs, and zed becomes a problem, i can usually still carry games. Because of this A fed talon on the other hand? Forget it! I die so fast, and there's very little counterplay i myself can do in such a small window of time to make me survive his burst. [/quote] So it takes a free item to counter talon or 400g upgrade even more and zed counter is weird build your build mr to stop his ult but he can still kill you what easily.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]just stop cooper[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]I can think of about 3-4 AD assassins off the top of my head. And Talon is pretty much the only one that requires low-medium skill to play. So sure, buy him.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Ty, otg ;>[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=OTGBionicArm] just stop cooper [/quote] Im trying help people win your not going to become a good player playing talon its pretty simple hes just not good. Playing zed you will learn game much faster but sure talon is good for new players but i dont think zed is hard to learn.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]how is telling people "dont build an mr item even though it counters zed to counter zed!" helping people? btw just because you can see talon during his ult wont stop him from blinking to your carry and killing him in 0.01 seconds, thats like saying rengar is countered by oracles even though pro players say they hate playing as squishie against him[/quote]

[quote=-NA- Veng Lmfao]>Trying to help somebody become a better player >Ignores everybody else's advice, says their wrong and provides no logical counter argument other than 'he's not good' and 'zed isn't hard to learn' Ok Here are some statistics for you: In the diamond tier, Talon has the 6th highest win rate, sitting at 54.28% Zed is nowhere to be seen At high elo, statistically Talon > Zed [center][img]http://i.imgur.com/1bo3zdJ.png[/img][/center] In the diamond tier, Zed has a win rate of 46.77% [center][img]http://i.imgur.com/wGjsYu4.png[/img][/center] This gives us a difference of 7.51%, which is pretty incredible seeing how Talon 'is not good'.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=DillButt64] (...)thats like saying rengar is countered by oracles even though pro players say they hate playing as squishie against him [/quote] Rengar wasn't even countered by Oracles to begin with. His jump range on ult was larger than the reveal range anyway. :/[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]I'm not sure why we're still arguing about who's better considering that the only Talon player on the site has come out and said "Zed's safer that's why." I mean you can argue about the strengths of both of them all day but until you plAy them and figure out the weaknesses you cant actually make a decision. [quote=-NA- Veng Lmfao] In the diamond tier, Talon has the 6th highest win rate, sitting at 54.28% Zed is nowhere to be seen At high elo, statistically Talon > Zed [/quote] Statistically speaking Rammus is better than EVERYTHING![/quote]