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League of Legends (LoL) Question: Jungle tips? Anyone?

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Jungle tips? Anyone?

Asked by R3dSquirrel on April 5, 2014

Generally i think i m doing quite alright with wukong jungle or jungle in general... But i never manage to carry games. It results in people calling me a noob when we lose a game because seemingly i as the jungler should be able to save them when they engage mindlessly or have bad positioning...
Now is that actually a reason to call me a noob? Because i m not a pro no, but it sure is an offense when someone goes "wukong you re such a noob and i would know i main wukong"

I dont know what i am doing wrong, i dont even know what i am supposed to do anymore.

How do YOU jungle?

Answers (6)

(353) |

Trashtalking will always exist, not only in this game but also real life. Just gotta cope with it.

Jungling by itself is a relatively hard concept to grasp as you don't exactly know what you could've done in certain scenarios as well. As a jungler, a general rule of thumb is to jungle to lvl 3, mad gank if you can (you generally can), or go back to jungle. Often times you have to know when to gank and when to countergank as well. You generally can gank a lane when the wave is slowly pushing towards your teammate. Walk towards the lane when that's happening and you'll be able to make it on time. When camping a lane, you should notice how the enemy mid laner is acting to see if he's baiting a countergank. In mid game you should just focus on team objectives and skirmishes, forcing picks, etc. Just watch what pros do and try to learn why they do certain things at certain times.

(7) |

Alright thank you!

So basically I won't always be able to know what I could have done.
After thinking about the last game I probably shouldnt have tried to gank all the time because ot led to fights that werent easy and i didnt realize they did dragon although i had a vision ward right there.
And bot lane pushed too hard i knew that, they actually asked why i dont gank, but i really didnt have the nerve to explain to them that i cant gank when they are standing im front of the enemy tower...
That game probably just wasnt meant to be. I lost vision and my lanes didnt put wards at all and pushed.

And that trashtalk idk, i shouldnt even read it i guess. I m fine with the usual ones, but when someone talks like he knows what he is going on about i cant help but get insecure. Anyway it s bronze and i really need to stop caring about those flamers.... They are probably just mad that they have problems in real life and dont manage a win in lol. They are those who write easy after a difficult victory..

Anyway thank you ;)

(24) |

I am maybe to the best jungler, but I would say that you should learn the timers on the objectives (dragon/buffs/baron) and time them. As soon as you killed a buff take the timer so that you can be there when it spawns and prevent it from being stealed. This works when you want to counter-jungle too. If you just got the dragon or you know the enemy team did, time it and show up for the next one, if you're far ahead, try force dragon and kill them if they jump at you. For this, remember to have your team with you, have a lot of vision and deny the enemies vision.

When ganking: Know the enemy, do they have any strong abilities or passive (revives generally) which could turn the gank in their favour? Are they tanky? A lot of CC? Damage? and so on. IF you're not sure if the lane is warded, don't be afraid to ask you laner.

(7) |

Yeah well that might happen but i do know when it spawns roughly and no one can go for it solo at that point. They dont attempt dragon alone the whole game as far as i noticed....
Plus it means he cant help his toplaner.

(24) |

Yes, but suddenly you see him on dragon which you warded. It did just spawn and he knew. So while you gank top he goes for dragon and gets it free because he knew you were top. He also warned his top laner and you got no kill.

Notice this was just a sceniaro I made up...

(7) |

I probably should learn that. Generally I just pop a vision ward at dragon as soon as possible, around minute 7... I normally dont time dragon or buffs since I pop wards there most the time in case the enemy jungler is trying to counter
jungle.

Yeah I know that one, like no tower diving renek or nasus when they have ulti available. Dont chase Singed for too long. That stuff ^^ But idk I still mess up sometimes.
You know that moment when you engage and know in that exact moment "Damn, that was incredibly stupid. That'll cost me" ? ^^

thank you ;)

(2) |

Having all the lanes push to the turret would work, if, your laners were extremely aggressive and could get the opposition to like at least half health. This would result in you being able to perform a relatively easy tower dive but plays like this requires a high amount of vision due to the risk of being counterganked and feeding a triple kill to the enemy.

Now onto the point on vision of drag. A good way to know for sure the enemy isn't taking dragon is to place a pinkward in one of the small brushes in river. Most junglers don't check that brush and it also gives you information on whether they are going for drag, roaming bot, etc.

(7) |

Yea of course, you can't just turn into one of them :P

But it's always like that, you need to realize what you did wrong.

Like my last game support. The jungler Yi wasnt holding the mid lane and zed was going to lose his turret so I left ashe to farm under our tower and filled in mid for a bit. You cant insist on a certain way to do things... and if yi is ganking elsewhere he cant be at the other lanes. Flaming only demotivates ^^

(569) |

Ignore every kind of criticism which is said only to make you feel bad about yourself. Listening to constructive criticism helps you improve but listening to criticism that is only meant to hurt you will only make you feel bad and make you act worse. Also it might turn you into one of them.

(2) |

Of course you should still listen to the flame a little bit but just take everything with a grain of salt. Being over criticized is a bad thing but not taking any criticism at all is worse. So yea ignore the spewing of swear words but if someone's acting a little passive aggressive try to treat it as advice. But yeah when you play games you should always keep your head clear and never have hindsight. If you or your team mate ever misplay just say "Ok we screwed up there, what do we do now?". After the game think about all the mistakes you made and try to improve on them.

(7) |

Thanks (: I'll just practice some more. And ignore them, if we lose we lose. No need to listen to their flame because that's making it worse :D

(2) |

Whilst it's true normals are a flame fest, you can often ignore all the flame and just focus on the game (ayyy that rhymed). But yea, I usually play normal games and I have to say I haven't experienced much flame whilst playing new junglers. Although I have been flamed for trying strategies not often employed and messing up. In the end, practice really does make perfect, specially in the jungle role.

Even without duo-ing it should be easy enough to pull off some risky stuff like stealing blue. One cheese strat that almost always works is the late invade due to the 120 second trinket timers in the new patches. Of course if you somehow screw it up (highly unlikely unless you reveal yourself) you will probably get flamed.

Anyways good luck on your jungling!

(7) |

Yeah you're probably right with that, when I am sure I can pull it off I do towerdive, but often I'm not tanky enough early game and I've died due to towerdiving just that one time too often.
If I'm in a duo queue I try a bit more riskier stuff, like stealing their blue and giving it to my midlaner. but that's stuff i would never consider with someone i dont have the possibility to talk to on ts or something at the same time.
The sad thing about Co-op games is that while you are able to try out a champion, you cannot practice a lot of jungling since they are all fed a few minutes into the game or so.
And trying out a new jungler in a normal game? It's asking for flame. It's basically impossible to just sit down and play a normal game without someone raging and hating. It's only a normal game, it doesnt even matter if you lose. Yeah it's still frustrating, we all prefer to win. But Lol is full of people who can't play just for fun. And it's ruining the game for everyone else.

(2) |

It's actually quite an important skill to become comfortable with towerdiving, but I understand why you would shy away from it. Solo-queue just doesn't have the coordination to pull of tower dives, specially in lower elo. Although I do recommend trying to practice towerdiving. The subject of tower aggro is really important when you are a tanky jungler. But anyways applying pressure on the map should be enough if some of your lanes are winning.

A good tip whilst jungling is to always look at the mini-map whilst doing camps, also ping, ping a lot. Depending on your teammates if you ping enough eventually they'll know what you want them to do.

(7) |

Thanks to you too!

I'm not good at towerdiving and that's why I generally shy away from it, I generally feel I did well enough when I forced them to retreat, waste a flash or something. If they dont recall my bot lane will have an advantage and that's how I understand playing jungle, giving your lanes advantages over the enemies they are facing.

I put a pink ward right behind the dragon, idk if it's only at bronze but generally they dont seem to care that I have vision over dragon. If I put a vision ward in the small bush they destroy it because most junglers pass through it. I prefer dropping a stealth ward there ^^

--- although it is my own fault when I dont see them doing dragon when I have vision of it... ---

Thank you ;)

(3) |

R3dsquirrel,

As many have said the trash-talk is just part of the game and it might often not be your fault at all but let me give just give some general tips to effective jungling, especially in lower elos.

Keep track of timers - this helps you secure objectives as well as catch out the enemy jungler if you predict his movement based on when his buffs will be up.

Don't waste time - Either kill jungle creeps, soak up exp and gold from lanes that went back, or gank, but don't waste time hiding in a bush waiting for the right moment to gank. That's an easy way to fall behind and make future ganks harder. Jungling is all about presence and pressure. Whether that comes from counter-jungling, ganking, or pushing lanes, just make your presence felt by the enemy team to remind them it's not a 4v5.

Gank the same lane repeatedly - don't be afraid to gank a lane and then come back right away, maybe from a different path/direction next time. If the enemy laner isn't going to learn to show respect make him pay for it. This is an easy way to get one lane snowballing and then you can focus on gaining the other lanes advantages.

The easiest person to trust is yourself - If you play a champ like Udyr who can carry games easily, don't be afraid to take all your own buffs and clear camps for awhile. Your team might get angry, but they'll forgive you after you put all that gold to use and carry the game. If your mid-laner is doing really well you can give him blue because odds are he won't die and give it up, but otherwise you should take because you should be able to do more with it.

Hope this helped!

-Cmdr. Sheperd

(40) |

I read in one of the comments that you are in bronze. I would say play other junglers, is kind of weak in jungle pre-lvl 6, which means you cant make an impact on early game and early game decides a lot, especially in lower divisions.

I think it's been said too, pink ward the small river bush. costs 75g and stays for 3 minutes, cost 100g so if it's there for 4 minutes it totally worth it, and trust me it will stay way longer.

Prioritize the lower part of the map, the reason is simple, you can find both buffs there, dragon and 2 carry lanes. Just put lots of pressure on mid and bot, a strong ADC or APC (in some cases AD assassin) is scary stuff and can easily win a game for you. Yea your solo top might be b*tching about not ganking him, but it's called SOLO TOP for a reason, usually it's a harassing/trading/fapping contest up there, if you happen to be nearby and there's an opportunity to make some good ganks do it, but NEVER camp top.

Feel no shame... People always blame the jungler, you gonna get lots of flame whatever you do. If a lane is losing hard, don't waste your time going there, just focus on lanes that are doing well and win those. Never stop attacking during a gank, even if it means you take a kill, i'm not saying to KS intentionally (tho i don't believe kill steal exist in a teamgame), seen lots of people running away with 10ish HP cause i wanted to give our adc the kill, just don't. You roam the map the most anyway, getting some kills will make you stronger, which means stronger ganks, so yea freakin ks everything XD

Split push, split push whenever you can, or if your team is incompetent... You will get a lot of flame for this too, but people think getting tons of kills win a game, well bad news it's taking down objectives what wins a game. Split pushing gets global gold for your team, also you can freely take turrets while they do a dance showoff at one of the lanes. What if someone comes for you? Well that makes an 1v1 for you and a 4v4 for them, fair. What if more comes for you? They get an advantage and a chance to push, while you can either outplay them or just go away. When you play with randoms there are huge problems with team communication and coordination so don't expect too much from teamfights.

Well thats lots of blabbering... but hope i helped

(569) |

Some tips:

Put time stamps on. They make timing so much easier (dragon & baron).

Usually you want to start from the buff where your bottom lane is because bottom can pull harder

Try to gank at level 3

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